In Korean waters: How many minutes would an aircraft carrier stay afloat?

North Korea has around 70 submarines, and except for a couple that may be off the California coast right now, they are all in one area, North Korean waters. It would be nearly impossible to sink them all before they sunk any local US carriers.

So give me your best Tom Clancy wargame scenario.

How long would a carrier stay afloat in North Korean waters if war broke out?

Below are links for those who may want to further study this subject.

Comparisons of US and North Korean military power:
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Info on Korea’s submarine force:
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Info on US carrier groups:
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Threats posed by Korean submarines:
www.cnbc.com...

a reply to: spiritualarchitect


Just look at this photo from one of your links, and you have your answer.
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The turbulence from the props of our ships would disable their submarines, LOL.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Are Korean submarines able to sail across the ocean and sit off the California coast?

I thought they were a coastal fleet that couldn't make it that far.

20-25 years per google before they need to be refueled, theyre nuclear

Quite a while.

Because the function of a carrier isn't to sit in hostile waters to begin with.

IT would stay in international waters first.

Then wage anti sub warfare to secure the area before entering.

It's more about tactics than toys.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Their subs are subpar...eh? USN technology and subhunters would destroy them.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

The vast majority of North Korean subs can't leave coastal waters. They can't get out to where the carriers are. They may still have some old Soviet boats, but they're barely post WWII designs and are fairly noisy for a diesel boat.

Let's just put it this way. A carrier Strike Group is not defenseless, and North Korea is not China.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

In Korean waters: How many minutes would an aircraft carrier stay afloat?

Ask Zaphod, he's much wiser, but I'm guessing Three....

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

war game scenario.

North Korea sinks the aircraft carrier in about 2 minutes 20 seconds, Trump decides he made a mistake, offers Kim un and apology and sends all u.s. forces home from South Korea, N Korea waters, Syria, and everywhere else in the middle East. He then quits arming Isis fighters, Trump and Putin make-out on their first official date at the fanciest restaurant in China, then trump steps down as president.
Kim-Jong Un is named Times Magazine "Man of the Year".
Hillary Clinton gets elected since Trump stepped down.
Hillary Clinton nukes Syria, N Korea, Russia and Iran all at the same time.
Times Magazine replaces KimUn with Hillary Clinton as "Man of the Year".

Are they allowed to do maintenance? Because if they are allowed to do maintenance, it's going to stay afloat for about 20-25 years until it needs to be refueled.

NK submarines ARE a grave risk to navy personnel...North Korean personnel. They are tragic, pitiful contraptions barely better than the latest Colombian drug-lord's Cocaine Mule are and only designed to operate within sight of land.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Seriously...NK hasnt got anything that the USA doesnt beat handily...if we were worried there would be 3 carrier croups as in the Persian gulf in the recent past.

And dont think the US hasnt fully weaponized space and completely saturated the sea below water regarding NK.

NK doesnt have a chance unless its part of a bigger scenario and is allowed to persist.

a reply to: Leonidas

Couldnt agree more

Not sure we would ever need to go into North Korean waters as our aircraft have enough range to make strikes from a very long ways and with air refueling even further. Pretty sure those subs would be easy to find as their signatures would be very loud in comparison to the more modern equipment others possess. Not really an issue and with enough sub hunting helicopters and other aircraft they would all be found and eventually destroyed.

Sorry...Double Post....

An aircraft carrier doesn't travel alone. It will be escorted by submarines, destroyers with anti-submarine capabilities (helicopters with depth charges, gravitometric meters, magnetometers, accoustic microphones). Once a submarine discloses it's presence by attacking other vessels, it's toast. Even simply by being there, it's going to be heard just through the swishing of water.

originally posted by: stormcell
Even simply by being there, it's going to be heard just through the swishing of water.

North Korean submarines use very loud diesel engines to mask the swishing sound of the water.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Our hunter-killer subs would eliminate their subs in very short order.

1. China has said it will attack Korea if provoked by the Korean nukes.
2. Russia has amassed tanks on the N. Korea border.
3. The US has at least one Carrier Strike Group in the area and another not all that far away.

Seems to me the world's super powers have had about enough of North Korea.

First thing to happen is that the navy sends out sub seeking planes to look for submarines. Along with ships and submarines that will actively seek out NK subs.

The Navy will also stay several hundreds of miles away from NK. Giving them plenty of room to launch cruise missiles with a range of 800 miles and launch f-18's with a 2k mile range.

Realistically IMO before the navy even engages. B-2's from wherever they are based will take out all the infrastructure in NK supporting the military.