Is Syria Gas Attack A False Flag?

a reply to: Salander

Are you happy your tax dollars are being wasted in Syria? I'm not. What's going on over there is not good for America.

so now that you've been shown that the U.S. is not the major cause of the damage to homes and infrastructure, you want to jump to taxes. ok i'll play.

What's going on over there is not good for America

i don't mind tax dollars spent on bombing isis if it keeps refuges from moving over here and spending the tax dollars here on them and their families, some it would probably be for the rest of their lives. plus if it gets rid of a man that tortures, and kills his own people at the same time, hey that's just a bonus.

I think it was. However, that Assad proceeded the next day to hit the same town with conventional weapons suggests otherwise, if that's true..

It's hard to tell, particularly when CNN is reporting..

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

To the contrary, many of the refugees are well educated professions perhaps much more capable of being contributing members of society than some posters on ATS even (thinking of teens in their parent's basement).

I'm in Canada and our immigration policy and the taking in of Syrian refugees is actually good for our country and everything we stand for, and it's a false assumption and even a tad racist to assume or suggest that refugees are inept dysfunctional welfare bums. They are also doctors, engineers, you name it.

In the US, given the attitude towards them by some folks, they might have a hard time getting to work..

The idea that they are terrorists, betrays an absurd level of ignorance. These people are victims of terrorism and of an unjust and unnecessary war waged by the USA or fomented by the CIA and Mossad, as in the case of the destabilization of Syria and the civil war there.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

I'm not that worried about first generation refugees, it's mainly their children and grand children I am worried about. It seems most terror attacks in the West are committed by second and third generation Muslims. In order to prevent attacks in the future, we must take action now, at least until radical Islam is erased from the planet.

a reply to: MysticPearl


Hay lets say there is some crap going on here some slight of hand. For the effect it is going to have I would say a round of Tommy Birds is just what the Doc ordered to take the effect out of the deal.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: hounddoghowlie



The idea that they are terrorists, betrays an absurd level of ignorance. These people are victims of terrorism and of an unjust and unnecessary war waged by the USA or fomented by the CIA and Mossad, as in the case of the destabilization of Syria and the civil war there.

Will agree, no getting around it that most are simply trying to escape some deadly future. But hay, the rest of what you posted is some fine comedy.

I have my doubts that this was a red flag, Turkey received some of the victims for treatments and they can say for sure that the autopsies of those that didn't make it shows that it was sarin gas.

MSNBC is playing that Russia did the attack to help Trump.

I really don't get that from that that is what they are now telling, look to me that they are the ones been played by Russia.

The U.S. official told ABC News that a Syrian military fixed-wing aircraft dropped the chemical weapons on what was an underground hospital in the town run by an al-Qaeda affiliated rebel group formerly known as Al-Nusra Front.

This attack was either coming from the Syrian government with the help of Russia.

abcnews.go.com...

originally posted by: dragonridr

So where were they? ive seen dozens of videos no white helmets. Were you aware they are volunteer organization?? meaning anyone can join and get training unfortunately for your theory they were not around. They tend not to be in rebel areas mostly Isis areas because thats were they think they are needed. Or possibly who controls them either way doesnt matter when we are discussing this gas attack.

The white helmets also claim to get no funding from foreign governments even though the U.S., Japan, the UK and other UN countries give them around 60 millioU.S.D. a year +. Yet despite this we are also told that the white helmets lack equipment.

The death of any child is horrific, however using dead children as political tools is also horrific. There are real doctors and professors in third world countries who have pointed out how in past "attacks" and videos made by "the White Helmets" that if many of these children were not dead already, the handling of victims done by the White Helmets and "claimed doctors" would have certainly killed these children. In the following horrific video we see what should be a procedure done only by professionals, w see how a dead child is being given "supposedly" an intracardiac injection, injection of adrenaline,(even though the "doctor" never squeezes the adrenaline into the heart) supposedly to try to save the child, and the idiot doing the procedure not only inserts the needle in an out several times, he also wiggles all over the place the needle which would have caused massive damage to the heart.



The above video is from another "attack" which was uploaded in 2015 by the white helmets, but it points out the fallacies seen in videos done by this fake "humanitarian group".

BTW, there is a real Syrian Civil Defense which has nothing to do with the "White Helmets". The White Helmets are aligned with Al Nusra, Al-Qaeda and ISIS. The real Syria Civil Defense was not founded in Turkey like the White Helmets were, but in Syria.

Here is a picture of "White Helmets" volunteers using the sign ISIS uses.

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Here is a NYT article which talks about "many witnesses of this attack", but the only witnesses they refer to in specific are white helmets.

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Rescue workers from the White Helmets civil defense organization said that many children were among the dead and wounded. Radi Saad, who writes incident reports for the group, said that volunteers had reached the site not knowing a chemical was present and that five of them had suffered from exposure to the substance.
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www.nytimes.com...

BTW, that claim from Radi Saad who works for the "white helmets" makes no sense. Even if the white helmets didn't know that the "attack was made with chemical weapons", and they were touching victims without gloves. Even if they had no inkling of an idea that it was a "chemical attack" they would have also been affected by "touching victims of a chemical attack". Yet in every video that I saw a white helmet, or some other first responders working with no gloves and touching victims none of these workers seem to be affected by touching victims of a supposed chemical attack.

BTW, this is another fact that seems to escape so many people. Are there doctors and first responders working in ISIS controlled areas? Sure there are. One such doctor is Dr. Farida mentioned in the above NYT article, who worked in Aleppo when it was controlled by ISIS, and is one of several doctors who are also "activists", and she talks about "chemical attacks" in several Syrian cities. In theNYT link you see a video at around 4 minutes footage of white helmets, and other first responders, and doctors again treating supposed victims of chemical attacks without gloves... How is that possible?

That's not even mentioning the fact that in order to be able to work in ISIS controlled areas you have to be "pro-ISIS", otherwise even moderate Muslims have gotten murdered by ISIS for not being fundamentalists, and for not following their rules, so that raises another question. Why is it that doctors like Farida keep going back to ISIS controlled areas when only fundamentalists who agree with the fanaticism and extremism of ISIS are allowed to live and work there? She talks about having her freedom in ISIS controlled areas... WTH... how the heck can anyone have their freedom in ISIS controlled areas, unless that freedom aligns with the fanaticism that ISIS and Al Nusra is known for?

originally posted by: dragonridr
Sad how people are willing to support assad when hes killed 500000 people and caused millions to flee the country,Not to mention causing the biggest humanitarian crises Europe has seen.

And I wrote Assad is no saint, but how is it possible for first responders to touch and treat "supposed victims of a chemical attack" without any protection in their hands? It is simply not possible. There are videos in which even "what are claimed to be doctors" are handling victims of a chemical attack with no gloves on, and touching the clothes and skin of the victims, yet these doctors miraculously are not affected by touching victims of a claimed sarin gas attack without protection.

But if you don't believe me here are the statements made by professors and doctors who watched some of these videos, which CNN keeps showing as a propaganda tool without pointing out the inaccuracies found in the videos, state the facts about what can be seen in the videos.

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Dr Leif Elinder, a known Swedish medical doctor profile, author and specialist in paediatrics, summarised the following in his reply: [7]

“After examination of the video material, I found that the measures inflicted upon those children, some of them lifeless, are bizarre, non-medical, non-lifesaving, and even counterproductive in terms of life-saving purposes of children”.

Further, I received a detailed clinical statement from Dr Lena Oske, a Swedish medical doctor and general practitioner. In her statement, Dr Oske referred to the presumed, adrenaline injection, performed in the White Helmet video (excerpt in the photo above). Her specialist opinion dismisses the procedure conducted in the White Helmet video, as unqualified and incorrect. Furthermore, she describes the earlier assessment of the procedure by a colleague who had exclaimed:

“If not already dead, this injection would have killed the child!”
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Swedish Doctors for Human Rights: White Helmets Video, Macabre Manipulation of Dead Children and Staged Chemical Weapons Attack to Justify a “No-Fly Zone” in Syria

BTW, even though the "real Syria Civil Defense" can be called, number 311, by anyone in the public anywhere in Syria, the White Helmets have no public number. Yet they are always at the site of terrorist attacks, and are ready to pick up the pieces to wage a propaganda campaign to claim they are "a human rights group" when in fact they are tied to Al Nusra, ISIS and Al Qaeda amongst others...

a reply to: MysticPearl

Good thread, I've always been suspicious of this event. With what we know, it seems too coincidental and very much a "same old, same old" scenario to believe in.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Your assertion that the US is not the major cause of the damage done in Syria is false. Mere repetition does not make it become true.

Your comment regarding tax dollars being wasted there is not persuasive.

Gets rid of a man that tortures? Are you suggesting getting rid of George Bush?

The white helmets are a propaganda tool for US. It is obvious that the cruise missile attack was prepared in advance. Decision on air strikes predates the Idlib gas attack so its a no brainer.
One thing that the White Helmets do have is lightning speed ability to be present at any alleged attack by Syria government. They appear instantly and start filming loool

originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: Azureblue

Yes it was defiantly rouge Clintonites! Absalutly typical of the libs to try to start another war as per usual its all they ever do?

Sad to see you blinded by the veil of ideology. The Democrats and the Republicans are just the two wings of the same bird of prey. They are both owned and controlled by the same people. Each faction serving to divide the people and keep them that way. Thats why there is a 2 party system.

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion but allow a very lively debate within that spectrum. – Noam Chomsky

Bolivia UN Envoy on Syria Attack: 'History Teaches Us' US Lies to Justify Wars

originally posted by: Defclone
The white helmets are a propaganda tool for US. It is obvious that the cruise missile attack was prepared in advance. Decision on air strikes predates the Idlib gas attack so its a no brainer.
One thing that the White Helmets do have is lightning speed ability to be present at any alleged attack by Syria government. They appear instantly and start filming loool

Yes,

I've been following the Syrian Civil War for a while now, and it is screamingly obvious that the White Helmets are mainly a propaganda group. They only operate in Rebel-held areas. You never see them in areas held by the government, the Kurds, or ISIS. They are always conveniently at hand to make videos sympathetic to the Rebel cause. They try to pass themselves off as a kind of Red Cross/Red Crescent-ish rescue organization, but as others have pointed out they lack anything resembling proper equipment or proper training. The most likely explanation is that they are a cover for foreign intelligence operatives; some combination of the CIA, the Mossad, MI6, and similar groups from other Western countries.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Bolivia UN Envoy on Syria Attack: 'History Teaches Us' US Lies to Justify Wars

Well now I guess we know more about the lies told...
www.foxnews.com...

Former Obama official Susan Rice’s claim just a few months ago that the Assad regime “voluntarily and verifiably” gave up its chemical weapons stockpile earned a full rebuke from a prominent fact-checker on Monday in the wake of last week’s chemical attack. The Washington Post fact-checker gave the former national security adviser a rating of “four Pinocchios” -- the worst rating on their truth scale. “The reality is that there were continued chemical-weapons attacks by Syria,” the Post wrote.

Wow from the wapo even...

Rice’s claim, however, was more recent. In January, she told NPR that the Obama administration was able to “find a solution” on Syria that didn’t require the use of force – and still dealt with the chemical weapons threat, using diplomacy. “We were able to get the Syrian government to voluntarily and verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpile,” she claimed.

January....rice made quite a few statements in January that are coming back to bite her.....

The Washington Post noted, “the Obama administration had a tendency to oversell what was accomplished, perhaps because Obama received so much criticism for not following through on an attack if Syria crossed what Obama had called ‘a red line.’” “The reality is that there were continued chemical-weapons attacks by Syria — and that U.S. and international officials had good evidence that Syria had not been completely forthcoming in its declaration and possibly retained sarin and VX nerve agent,” the Post wrote. Citing Rice’s exact words, the fact-check column ruled: “She did not explain that Syria’s declaration was believed to be incomplete and thus was not fully verified — and that the Syrian government still attacked citizens with chemical weapons not covered by the 2013 agreement. That tipped her wordsmithing toward a Four.”

Zoinks
I wonder if the trump administration will be accused of "overselling"?
Perhaps turmp "undersold" the success of repeal and replacing obamacare?

a reply to: shooterbrody

The WAPO has a pinochio index ...

Wonder how much they will award to themselves after their original coverage of Powell's carpet bombing of the UN assembly with BS :



Source

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The white helmets were not in any videos i saw. In fact this isnt even their normal area of operation the medics on hand were doctors without borders. They had a makeshift hospital set up which in fact later gets bombed maybe to cover up the use of sarin?

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Powell and the wapo seem to have "oversold" that, no?

The white helmets are a scam they take volunteers give them minimal training all the while taking in millions in aid. They send out a workforce they dont pay hardly trained meaning lots of cash they can pocket. Your going to find their strongest support in areas owned by radicals because people that join think there is some amount of safety being a white helmet. I watched one documentary where they dont even have a way to tell whos been through the training and who is a white helmet. They literally rely on people being honest.

Definitly not your average political commentor but, Scott Adams - the cartoonist from Dilbert - has an interesting take on the topic :

The Syrian Gas Attack Persuasion

According to the mainstream media – that has been wrong about almost everything for a solid 18 months in a row – the Syrian government allegedly bombed its own people with a nerve agent.

The reason the Assad government would bomb its own people with a nerve agent right now is obvious. Syrian President Assad – who has been fighting for his life for several years, and is only lately feeling safer – suddenly decided to commit suicide-by-Trump. Because the best way to make that happen is to commit a war crime against your own people in exactly the way that would force President Trump to respond or else suffer humiliation at the hands of the mainstream media.

And how about those pictures coming in about the tragedy. Lots of visual imagery. Dead babies. It is almost as if someone designed this “tragedy” to be camera-ready for President Trump’s consumption. It pushed every one of his buttons. Hard. And right when things in Syria were heading in a positive direction.

- Interesting timing.
- Super-powerful visual persuasion designed for Trump in particular.
- Suspiciously well-documented event for a place with no real press.
- No motive for Assad to use gas to kill a few dozen people at the cost of his entire regime. It wouldn’t be a popular move with Putin either.
- The type of attack no U.S. president can ignore and come away intact.
- A setup that looks suspiciously similar to the false WMD stories that sparked the Iraq war.

I’m going to call BS on the gas attack. It’s too “on-the-nose,” as Hollywood script-writers sometimes say, meaning a little too perfect to be natural. This has the look of a manufactured event.