Obama admin sabotaged Trump by spreading revealing classified info to European allies

this is just more moving the target.

why don't my republican american friends have an issue with an american politician being so heavily connected to russia?

if you back this all they way up to 5 years ago according to the dossier, and all of trumps bizarre defense of putin and russia, asking russia to hack hillary in public with TV cameras rolling, naming tillerson secy of state, the flynn humiliation, the sessions humiliation, there is enough smoke to make any semi intelligent person suspicious -- even without any of the wire tap info or the breadcrumbs obama shared with our allies !!!

so is the only thing keeping you from asking trump tough questions party affiliation ?

is it party before country for you guys?

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Grambler

At dinner this evening I proposed a similar theory to your OP.

Clearly Obama made his executive order allowing the NSA to share their data with the other 16 intelligence agencies in order to cover his ass when this wiretap scandal came to light.

I think he really wanted to stop Trump from getting away with anything.

How would it cover Obama's ass to make sure everything was shared if he had done anything wrong?

If he had, he certainly wouldn't have signed something saying, "Hey, all you IC agencies, go ahead and share EVERYTHING!"

As I said in the other thread.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

Nothing illegal was done, so why release info of a classified investigation to other countries.

If nothing illegal was done, what information was classified? Were the meetings secret government activities?

So any meeting with "unfreindly" countries should be rpeorted to our allies?

Reciprocity, that sort of thing. Yeah, it "should" be done, and is.

And lets not forget Shumer, Pelosi, Hillary, and many others have met with Russians. Did the Obama admin contact allies to let them know about these potential troubling meetings?

Members of the government. Pretty sure that our allies would have known about those meetings.

You have no right to complain if Trump uses agencies to investigate political opponents, spreads the info to all Us agencies and to our political allies, and if the info leaks to the press and is used to sabotage thos political people.

You seem to be missing the point that the investigation was, and is, about Russian hacking and attempts to influence the election. Do you think that evidence should be ignored? You know, the evidence for which Congress will be going over in the upcoming weeks:
www.politico.com...

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Grambler

Obama didn't order any specific spying, the intelligence agencies did that on their own, as part of national security. Alleging that Obama was spying on Trump specifically for personal gain is basically making the Watergate allegations. That's a pretty serious crime to accuse someone of, and Trump is the guy who is all about suing for libel and slander. If those claims are false, he should be taken to court.

First, even if Obama didn't order the spying, he did sign the EO which allowed the info to be easier shared between agencies.

And it was his admin that shared this info with the europeans.

So much for "the buck stops here" though right? No doubt this will be the excuse. I guess Obamas people went rogue, sharing this info with allies with ZERO evidence of Trump doing anything wrong, and Obama had no clue this was going on.

This is a joke! It was his administration, he is responsible, and he and his people should be held accountable!

Are you sure there's zero evidence of wrongdoing? Clearly, if information was being shared, it means they had something worth sharing right?

And if I remember correctly, the EO's on sharing information go back to W. Obama didn't stop them, but he didn't create them either. Trump won't stop them either.

Why would the head of the NSA at the time, the director of National intelligence James Clapper say they had no evidence of Trumps wrong doing? Is it your claim that Clapper is lying? Why would he lie about this?

Or are you claiming that the director of the NSA wouldn't have access to this evidence? This seems ridiculous!

It seems they were just sharing hyperbolic stories that some of Trump people haad met with Russians in an attempt to smear Trump as compromised by the Russians.

As to your claim that Obama didn't change any rules, you are incorrect.

In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

www.nytimes.com...

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Grambler

Obama didn't order any specific spying, the intelligence agencies did that on their own, as part of national security. Alleging that Obama was spying on Trump specifically for personal gain is basically making the Watergate allegations. That's a pretty serious crime to accuse someone of, and Trump is the guy who is all about suing for libel and slander. If those claims are false, he should be taken to court.

I think Obama did in fact do this.

The stakes were the highest they've ever been for the last election.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Grambler

Obama didn't order any specific spying, the intelligence agencies did that on their own, as part of national security. Alleging that Obama was spying on Trump specifically for personal gain is basically making the Watergate allegations. That's a pretty serious crime to accuse someone of, and Trump is the guy who is all about suing for libel and slander. If those claims are false, he should be taken to court.

I think Obama did in fact do this.

The stakes were the highest they've ever been for the last election.

LOL. And leprechauns are real too. It was a Breitbart fantasy Trump read at 4am. you really think this happened?

a reply to: Grambler

Why would the head of the NSA at the time, the director of National intelligence James Clapper say they had no evidence of Trumps wrong doing?

What he said was, that he knew of no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

CLAPPER: We did not include evidence in our report, and I say our, that’s NSA, FBI and CIA with my office, the director of national intelligence that had anything — that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was there no evidence of that including in our report.

TODD: I understand that, but does it exist?

CLAPPER: Not to my knowledge.

TODD: If it existed, it would have been in the report?

CLAPPER: This could have unfolded or become available in the time since I left the government. But at the time, we had no evidence of such collusion.

www.breitbart.com...

He resigned in November.
www.nbcnews.com...

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
this is just more moving the target.

why don't my republican american friends have an issue with an american politician being so heavily connected to russia?

if you back this all they way up to 5 years ago according to the dossier, and all of trumps bizarre defense of putin and russia, asking russia to hack hillary in public with TV cameras rolling, naming tillerson secy of state, the flynn humiliation, the sessions humiliation, there is enough smoke to make any semi intelligent person suspicious -- even without any of the wire tap info or the breadcrumbs obama shared with our allies !!!

so is the only thing keeping you from asking trump tough questions party affiliation ?

is it party before country for you guys?

The head of the NSA Clapper says they have no evidence of Trump or his people wrong doing. Despite this, the Obama admin shared info of the investigation to European allies.

Your feeling that Trump must have done something is irrelevant. Why would Clapper say they have no evidence if they do?

And whats important is that it is being admitted that Obamas admin spread info to these allies when one of their own heads Clapper admits they had no evidence.

Again, many people KNEW (They were certain) taht Obama had connections to groups like Hamas. So you would have been ok with Bush, with no evdience, spreading to our allies that Obama may be compromised by Hamas?

How far has the left fallen? From the party protesting the deep state in the Vietnam war, to the party encouraging the deep state to sabotage political enemies by smearing them to our allies with no evidence.

What a shame.

a reply to: reldra

you forget how that crow tasted nov 9th?
mo worries you will eat it again

a reply to: Grambler

Forget Clapper he's a proven liar. The intelligence community can deny they tapped an American citizen very truthfully when you consider that the world wide intelligence services are a sort of Globalist police state. The following explains the ties between countries that allow them to cooperate with each other with plausible deniability.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Grambler

The CIA's War on Trump

Under the headline, “CIA Judgment On Russia Built On Swell Of Evidence,” The New York Times reports that “many believe” there is “overwhelming circumstantial evidence” that the Russians tried to help Trump. The paper said “the conclusion that Moscow ran an operation to help install the next president is one of the most consequential analyses by American spy agencies in years.”

Such analyses can mean nothing and can, in fact, divert the attention of elected officials from the truth. Trump calls the verdict on alleged Russian involvement in the election “ridiculous.” It would not be the first ridiculous work product from the intelligence community. The CIA failed to predict the Soviet “collapse,” and then mistakenly assumed the collapse was real and not a strategic deception.

Then let follow the money trail, look who was behind the Russia Trump links, is all about money.

It is significant that The Washington Post, owned by Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos, broke the story about the CIA allegedly concluding that the Russians had somehow meddled in the U.S. elections by hacking into Democratic Party computers. The CIA has a $600 million contract with Amazon Web Services.

How money move around to get the right information for character assassinations and have the public believe it as true is nothing but corruption.

Only a blind person can no see the deceptions, intrigue and lies. Who got favors for doing what

www.gopusa.com...

a reply to: reldra

Do you have proof leprechauns dont exist??

a reply to: Grambler

Why would the head of the NSA at the time, the director of National intelligence James Clapper say they had no evidence of Trumps wrong doing?

Just because there is no known evidence of something at a given point in time doesn't mean evidence does not exist.

Hence ongoing investigations.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: reldra

you forget how that crow tasted nov 9th?
mo worries you will eat it again

I didn't eat crow. I saw the early end to this country.

The more Trump speaks or types or signs, things get worse. I wish it wasn't like that. It is like watching an impending train crash and can't stop it.

a reply to: Grambler

So you would have been ok with Bush, with no evdience, spreading to our allies that Obama may be compromised by Hamas?

There's no evidence that associates of Trump met with Russians?

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: reldra

Do you have proof leprechauns dont exist??

No. You got me there.

a reply to: Grambler

I'll wait and see what the investigation turns up. Trump has lost 3 and potentially soon 4 members of his staff to Russian influence at this point though. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

originally posted by: xuenchen
I think Obama did in fact do this.

The stakes were the highest they've ever been for the last election.

Really? Higher than 2012? Or 2008 (billed the most consequential election of our lifetimes)? Or 2004? Or 2000?

From where I sat it was completely average with the two worst possible candidates as a choice.

Maybe lowest stakes ever is what you meant.

a reply to: Phage

Yes, clapper resigned at the end of obamas presidential term.

To be honest, he should have. Considering his communications to officials involved in other scandals, such as the ISIS narrative, raisese the question if obama really knew about intelligent altering during his term.

a reply to: Arnie123

Yes, clapper resigned at the end of obamas presidential term.

Toward the end.
Obama's term ended on January 20th.

originally posted by: Phage
As I said in the other thread.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

Nothing illegal was done, so why release info of a classified investigation to other countries.

If nothing illegal was done, what information was classified? Were the meetings secret government activities?

So any meeting with "unfreindly" countries should be rpeorted to our allies?

Reciprocity, that sort of thing. Yeah, it "should" be done, and is.

And lets not forget Shumer, Pelosi, Hillary, and many others have met with Russians. Did the Obama admin contact allies to let them know about these potential troubling meetings?

Members of the government. Pretty sure that our allies would have known about those meetings.

You have no right to complain if Trump uses agencies to investigate political opponents, spreads the info to all Us agencies and to our political allies, and if the info leaks to the press and is used to sabotage thos political people.

You seem to be missing the point that the investigation was, and is, about Russian hacking and attempts to influence the election. Do you think that evidence should be ignored? You know, the evidence for which Congress will be going over in the upcoming weeks:
www.politico.com...

First off you are wrong about the investigation just being about russian hacks. Have you not seen the wide spread reports that they were investigating rather or not any memevbers of Trumps team did anything improper with Russia? Wow. But from the article in the OP.

The F.B.I. is conducting a wide-ranging counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s meddling in the election, and is examining alleged links between Mr. Trump’s associates and the Russian government. Separately, the House and Senate intelligence committees are conducting their own investigations, though they must rely on information collected by the F.B.I. and intelligence agencies.

How did you miss this?

They article shows that they shared info from that investigation to Euroopean allies. Get that? And again, they shared that info having no evidence that Trump had done anything wrong.

They did this to make Trump look bad to our allies.