Trump lies, but has his lies ever gotten anyone killed?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: carewemust

A navy seal a child and an aircraft in the very first mission under his command.

Wow whats wrong with your memory ? No one died directly?

Plus the 30 or so civilians that died that day. Then, there's the curious dead US/Russian operate(s) taken or found dead shortly after Trump's first intel meeting that included details about his dossier.

a reply to: Perfectenemy

so that is what you chose to take from my post?

If so, not interested. We can dissect missstatements all day, and profess our outrage in the process. And that is why US politics is circling the drain.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

We need a duly elected president. Thats the only "need" we have. The rest is personal opinion.

We do not "need" a President at all. On the other hand, the office exists and the Founders' assumption was that it would be occupied by someone competent. The Founders realized that duly elected or not, some Presidents would need to be removed from office, expressly for crimes but potentially for incompetence, hence Article II, Section 4.

All those words were used to nitpick a petty point?

"Need" or not, the elections will happen. So put whatever verbiage to it that makes most sense to you personally. My point being: we had a fair election. Removing a duly elected president based on media reports that are nothing more than editorialized journalism would be a sure fire way to bring blood to American streets.

Im not a Trump supporter, and you can bet my response would be beyond visceral.

And that is the point: you're employing hyperbole that is more ridiculous than the speeches that Trump makes. Only a madman would actually really want to impeach Trump without just cause. The anger that got him elected would exponentially explode.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Perfectenemy

Yes we do.

If anyone was saved by that raid, we would have their names, addresses and their social security numbers, because the President is an attention whore with no regard for anything other than his personal image. Since we have only heard vague mumbles about what it actually achieved, you can bet it achieved precisely nothing.

Besides which, even if there was a point to the raid, if the people who went on that raid have not figured out how to shoot AROUND non-combatants, not through them, then perhaps they are not quite prepared to be called SEALS? Clean work kills only combatant targets. There is an excuse for collateral damage in an airstrike, but absolutely none in a ground engagement. Good men would rather die and fail than kill civilians.

I can play the twisting game too you know. Where is the evidence that most of the non-combatants got killed by the SEALS? Terrorists don't care about civilan lifes that's what makes them so dangerous. They use their own people as human shields since the dawn of time. Why are you so convinced that this engagement was any different than all the other fire fghts against scumbags like Daesh?

a reply to: Perfectenemy

Think about it, wise guy.

"Oh, durrr gonna shoot my own bullet shield, hurr durrr.."

Not even an indoctrinated former goat herd is thick enough to do that.

Wait what? That's not how human shields work. I just meant that they use their own people as bullet sponges and that's not the fault of the SEAlS. The result are the unfortunate deaths of said human shields. With these kind of tactics there is no way to prevent non-combatants from losing there lifes. No matter how thorough the intel is anything can happen during a raid. There is a also a high probably that even a child could attack you. Nobody knows what happend during the raid but i trust the SEALS and there judgement of the situation.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My point being: we had a fair election.

Not according to the President. He has frequently claimed that it was "rigged" and that there was "massive voter fraud." He has even ordered an investigation!

Removing a duly elected president based on media reports that are nothing more than editorialized journalism would be a sure fire way to bring blood to American streets.

When he is impeached, it will not be because of "media reports," it will be because investigators have found solid evidence of wrongdoing. Think about it: you can pay him $200,000 to join his "club" so you can meet him over dinner. Does that sound ethical? And why won't he release his tax returns? Will the streets run with blood if it turns out he committed treason?

a reply to: DJW001

Trump is likely going to accidentally perjure himself while speaking on the record. That's what I see as the most likely avenue an impeachment will occur.

*tiptoes in*












shhh

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Stevemagegod

In the scheme of who has bullsh!tted the most and taken the most lives as a consequence, that honor goes to George Bush Jnr, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice and Powell for their epic piece of fiction pertaining to Saddams mobile chemical weapons facilities and the pictures and diagrams to prove it all.

(Hint: It was all fabricated so as to get the US and the coalition of the willing into Iraq to secure geo-political and natural resources under the guise of delivering much needed "Freedom & Democracy")

MILLIONS killed because of POTUS lies.

Trump and even Obama would need to pull out all the stops just to even come close to that trainwreck (that we are all still dealing with 14 years later)

Well said!!

Just wow, the right wingers here reach new lows everyday. Seriously, the bar drops to new lows when the OP is implying that his lies are okay as long as people don't die.

How about this. His lack of attentiveness to what was going on in Yemen got 30+ people killed, several of them were US assets. His coziness to his supreme leader, Putin, resulted in dozens of deaths in the Ukraine.

Not to mention that his racism has caused the separation of families across the US with the deportation; let's not even consider all the Muslims that were impacted by Trump's stupidity including a baby that was turned away for a life saving surgery.

The right wingers here are truly a sad bunch. Imagine if this was the bar for Obama.

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
All Politicians LIE THAT IS 100 % FACT. But some Lies are more dangerous than others.

Examples:
911 Attack = Bush
Benghazi =Hillary
"No foreign terrorist organization "has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland." = Obama

Since taking Office President Trump Ordered Seal Team 6 to raid some AK Terror Camps in Yemen and one guy got killed in the process(RIP American Hero). However instead of covering up the death Trump Praises the success of the Mission:

twitter

..Ryan died on a winning mission ( according to General Mattis), not a "failure." Time for the U.S. to get smart and start winning again!

...long he doesn't know how to win anymore, just look at the mess our country is in - bogged down in conflict all over the place. Our hero..

Sen. McCain should not be talking about the success or failure of a mission to the media. Only emboldens the enemy! He's been losing so....

Where as if Hillary won they would have blamed the failed mission on a Youtube Video that only had 10 hits at the time and burn every record known to the Mission meanwhile the families of the fallen American Hero would be left in the dark never to know what truly happened. And President Trump said he died a Hero and rightfully scolded people who said his death was from a failed mission.

President Trump is the most Pro American President we have ever had in a long time. Now I ask you again has Trumps lies gotten anyone killed?

What a gem of an argument and thread...

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
*tiptoes in*

shhh

This idiot thought Trump wouldn't win and treated him like a joke from the first day but yeah just let's believe him.
Do your own research. The sweden crisis is real. Hell there are several threads about it right now on AtS.

Whoa. SCREEEEECH!!!!
The "Sweden Crisis"?

This idiot thought Trump wouldn't win and treated him like a joke from the first day but yeah just let's believe him.
Do your own research. The sweden crisis is real. Hell there are several threads about it right now on AtS.

Really? So --- are you new?

a reply to: Perfectenemy

what sweden crisis?

you mean the immigration crisis that Trump saw being reported the night before the speech?

Or is the bikini team in trouble?

Hang on, wait up a minute ...

Someone makes a tacit afirmation, on ATS, that Trump lies - we can come on out and say it loud !?!

Aside from that, are we now going to keep track, (make Trump accountable)
of how many people have been/will be killed because of Trump's lies ?

Does this therefore mean that there'll be an ongoing comparison between Trump V Obama V Bush V Clinton V Bush V Reagan ?

That's a pretty grim way of measuring performance (just sayin')

Armed interventions in Middle Eastern countries is one thing (for they're highly reported),

but how could we possibly measure the deaths/murders linked to the deportation of 'undesirables'

Arguably, one could say that the the deported/undesirables were deported for a reason :
they're nefast to the homeland


But who traces what becomes of them ?

In maybe 10, 20 yrs time, there could be reports of death squads in Latin American countries
having rounded up deportees and bumping them off.

What i'm saying is that, the true N° of deaths, linked to Trump's ... 'distorsions' ...
may not be known for some time
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On another note, someone replied (i paraphrase) 'hell yeah, one Seal, died for his country doing his duty"
One Seal died needlessly, for futile reasons..

30 odd 'foreign' civillians died too

All based on a dinner table conversation (but with whom ?)

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Very odd OP.

Are lies only worth mentioning or addressing if it results in a death?

Are we only allowed to hold politicians accountable if a death has occurred?

How is it odd? Presidents Lie to use all the time and they should be held accountable for there actions. However Hillary had Blood on her hands before running for President. And has been caught lying to us many times to protect her own skin. I havent found one instance of Trump lying to cover up for his own skin. And before you say but Flynn lied to us about Russia!!!! Flynn betrayed the trust of Pence and Trump by lying to Pence and was let go because of it. This is sending a strong signal that Liars will not be Tolerated in the administration.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

Do you have ANY argument or information to defend Trump that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HILLARY OR OBAMA?

Any at all?

Anything (?) that you can post to shore up your support of Trump without bringing up anyone else?

a reply to: Stevemagegod

Okay, Clinton lied about Benghazi,..
Reagan about Iran/The Contras,
Clinton about the Balkans ...
Johnson about Tonkin...

Wilson and Churchill about the Lusitania ...
Bush ad Blair about Irak


They all at least lied for,
for simplicity sake,
''pseudo-security' reasons

There was at least a kernel of plausibilty
People were duped, or not
Didn't agree or not

This is the first time that i can see a president
*lying for lying sake*

There's no real foundation behind it all
no real underlying, tangible logic, yet it's accepted.
Why is that ?

Why does Trump confound, mix up,
discombobulate imaginary things (his own) with reality ?
And it all goes un-challenged
Seriously, why is that ?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Do you have ANY argument or information to defend Trump that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HILLARY OR OBAMA?

Any at all?

Anything (?) that you can post to shore up your support of Trump without bringing up anyone else?

For real.

How many times was it repeated "Don't bring up Bush" during Obama's presidency?

"It's ALL Obama. Bush has nothing to do with it".

Now it's blame Clinton or Obama for everything with the "Untoucable Orange One".