US Education Secretary Betsy DeVos Blocked by Protesters From Entering a DC Public School

a reply to: mOjOm

I was being nice and giving an average. When I was in high school we would have over 30 kids in a class. No issues. With younger kids I believe it should be up to 15 max. 12 1st graders is crazy.

The point was that there is a #ton of money that is dedicated to schools. This is also only government funding and not private donations or grants. Too many managers. Like a company that has a director, a supervisor, a manager and an asst manager and a controller. Each one is blue collar executive pay. Enough for 10-12 teachers. Well, one good director and one good assistant with the right people can make it right again.

My sister is a teacher in Florida. It sucks. She does it though because it is her passion but the stories are crazy. She teaches high school and to at-risk teens in JD. She sees the bloat. They all see the waste but if you talk you lose you job.

Anyone who devotes their lives to making ANY school better is a hero in my book whether they are week to week or an heiress. make it work...if she doesn't she will not last.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: mOjOm
unfortunately, the faculty of that school, many who also don't really like the idea that she is the new secretary of education, kind of wanted to meet with her, hoping to have a constructive discussion with her. that discussion might have proven to be constructive... having her blocked from even entering the building wasn't constructive at all...

There's always Skype. Group conference calls, etc.

She's not qualified and we know she bought this position.

I've never protested. That might change.

There are many who have never protested that are getting tired of agenda driven "protesters".

That might change.

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: mOjOm
unfortunately, the faculty of that school, many who also don't really like the idea that she is the new secretary of education, kind of wanted to meet with her, hoping to have a constructive discussion with her. that discussion might have proven to be constructive... having her blocked from even entering the building wasn't constructive at all...

There's always Skype. Group conference calls, etc.

She's not qualified and we know she bought this position.

I've never protested. That might change.

There are many who have never protested that are getting tired of agenda driven "protesters".

That might change.

Not sure your point.

a reply to: Annee

Go protest.
It's your right.

originally posted by: neo96
Something occured to me.

Just exactly what happened to 'free speech zones'. ?

They went extinct all of the sudden.

Those FSZs aren't for useful idiots, Neo.
The claustrophobia and critical mass of the lot of
them in a restrained environment would cause a
meltdown right into the Earth's core.

God I love hyperbole once in a while. But really, if
Betsy is trying to do her job and is physically barred
from a building in her flock, where are the Sheriff's
deputies? The big Lexan aquarium bashers and the
black kevlar?
Follow the law and watch the lawless children scream.

originally posted by: c2oden
a reply to: Annee

Go protest.
It's your right.

That part I know.

a reply to: matafuchs

I'll agree with you there. I don't understand how it's even possible that it breaks down to over 10k per kid in school. I sure as hell didn't see that kind of money going in to my education. I'm not sure what they are spending that money on because when I was in school we paid for everything. Our parents had to pay for trips. We had to buy our food. We had to buy our supplies. etc.

All they ever had was some old crappy books that had been used for years already and a place to sit. Even the teachers used to complain because their budgets were always being cut and they had to buy all their own stuff too.

The school was already built and some classes were being held in converted Trailers like rooms. Some didn't even have air conditioning worth a crap and in Cali. that can be miserable in certain months.

So somebody is getting rich somewhere because there is no way that 13k is actually being spent on students. Teachers don't make good money. Every teacher I ever had always said that they did it because they loved to teach and they liked the summer time off, those who had it like that. But not one ever said they liked it for the money they made and they sure didn't look like they made much money either so I'm guessing they were being honest about that.

Where that money goes would be interesting to find out.

Here's another thing I've always wondered. Not sure if you're familiar with Cali. But years ago when they started the California Lottery here a big selling point for it was that money from it would go to schools. Well the lottery takes in massive money and I have yet to hear about any big lottery checks coming in to schools paying for anything. As far as I know, every single year every school I ever attended got less and less and provided less and less to the students.

a reply to: mOjOm

Did you ever read about the case in Beaumont, TX. If you want to see how easy it is to defraud a public school system, that incident is a good place to start. Just google Beaumont TX Independent School District Scandal or something like that. You could start here:www.breitbart.com...
or here

It's not an isolated case. Here's another one involving the Detroit schools: www.freep.com...

Here's another one involving Seattle public schools: www.seattletimes.com...

originally posted by: Krakatoa
And, have you ever considered paying back some of that "relief" now that you can? Again, cost increases are irrelevant. I personally had to reinvent myself 4 times already due to market changes in the economy. I have trained my replacement 3 times (who were cheaper labor in another country). Yet, I still sacrificed things to work 2-3 jobs so as not to default on my commitments.

Cost increases are very relevant. A college education is likely to be the second biggest expense in your life. For the average worker it's worth 2 years salary out of your 40 years of work. Only buying a home is more expensive. Having a population saddled with debt removes employee leverage with an employer because it makes them more desperate to take any job offer given. Debt forgiveness as a result improves worker contracts.

As far as reinventing yourself 4 times, all that means is that you're not very good at picking a field to get into.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: c2oden
a reply to: Annee

Go protest.
It's your right.

That part I know.

People are getting tired of fake protests and paid for protesters.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krakatoa
And, have you ever considered paying back some of that "relief" now that you can? Again, cost increases are irrelevant. I personally had to reinvent myself 4 times already due to market changes in the economy. I have trained my replacement 3 times (who were cheaper labor in another country). Yet, I still sacrificed things to work 2-3 jobs so as not to default on my commitments.

Cost increases are very relevant. A college education is likely to be the second biggest expense in your life. For the average worker it's worth 2 years salary out of your 40 years of work. Only buying a home is more expensive. Having a population saddled with debt removes employee leverage with an employer because it makes them more desperate to take any job offer given. Debt forgiveness as a result improves worker contracts.

As far as reinventing yourself 4 times, all that means is that you're not very good at picking a field to get into.

College is expensive because it is subsidized by student loans. Colleges have little to no incentive to reign in price inflation because students are willing to go into obscene debt to attend. If you instituted sensible underwriting for student loans and curtailed lending, college costs would fall overnight.

originally posted by: mOjOm
Here's another thing I've always wondered. Not sure if you're familiar with Cali. But years ago when they started the California Lottery here a big selling point for it was that money from it would go to schools. Well the lottery takes in massive money and I have yet to hear about any big lottery checks coming in to schools paying for anything. As far as I know, every single year every school I ever attended got less and less and provided less and less to the students.

The money goes to schools. The problem is that budgets are fluid. What the lawmakers see is a year X education budget of say 5 million. Then they see lottery revenues of $1 million that are earmarked for education. So as a result, they can give the schools that $1 million, then spend $1 million less in taxes on education. The budget breaks even and hits it's goals, and now there's another million in the system to play with.

This isn't a lottery/state specific thing. It's not even a government specific thing, it's just how budgets work. Money earmarked for one program, means less out of general funds that have to go to it. It never gets treated as bonus spending by the accountants.

originally posted by: Edumakated
College is expensive because it is subsidized by student loans. Colleges have little to no incentive to reign in price inflation because students are willing to go into obscene debt to attend. If you instituted sensible underwriting for student loans and curtailed lending, college costs would fall overnight.

I'm skeptical that would happen. At least, not without also massively reducing the number of people attending college.

a reply to: Aazadan

So are you saying they just shift the extra money to somewhere else??

So like they already have a plan of spending say 5 million on education. Then some new revenue stream, in this case a cut of the lottery is created that brings in extra money other than the taxes already coming in. But rather than taking that extra lottery money and putting it with the 5 mill. in taxes. They instead keep the education budget at 5 million and just swap out a million of the tax dollars with the million from lottery and now have an extra million to spend somewhere else??

Is that what you mean???

a reply to: mOjOm

Yes. That is precisely how it works.

a reply to: Aazadan

So it's all just planned and chosen budgeting mismanagement then.

Meaning the reason schools don't get the money they should is because someone is choosing for it to go like that knowing perfectly well that they're skimming, or ripping off the funds that should be going to educate the next generation.

That seems like something we should have been able to fix at some point. It amazes me how corruption and known mismanagement of funds being chosen to be allocated to the proper place is constantly such an issue with everything. I mean that's all stuff that is documented and recorded because it's dealing with money and budgets which needs to be tracked and recorded properly for it to work in the first place. Yet there is always someone skimming the damn till and funneling money to the wrong places and getting away with it.

How is it that we can't get a hold of that sh*t???

What chance is there of fixing anything if we can't even fix the purposeful mismanagement of one of the most closely watched and recorded systems we have, money???

She's like. Meh. Don't say I didn't try.

May 10, 2017

If these are the future leaders of America, we're totally screwed!

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. –  Boos, catcalls and the turning of backs welcomed the commencement speaker at Wednesday’s Bethune-Cookman University graduation ceremony.

For 20 minutes, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, President Trump’s most opposed cabinet secretary nominee during confirmation hearings, endured jeers from the graduates and interruptions from the university president to calm down the crowd.

At one point, President Edison Jackson even threatened to “send your diplomas in the mail” if the noise didn’t stop.

For most of her speech, and during her receipt of an honorary degree in Human Letters, the students continued the past 10 days of contention that, of all people, she won the invite for the keynote address.

In her speech, DeVos directly addressed the controversy.

"As I said, I'm grateful to be with you today,” said DeVos. "While we will undoubtedly disagree, let us do so respectfully, and let us here each other out."

When the historically black university announced May 1 that DeVos would be the speaker, the local NAACP, National Federation of Teachers and Florida Education Association immediately voiced outrage, arguing she’s an enemy of public education, a champion of school choice, favors using tax dollars to pay for kids to attend religious, private schools and is ignorant about the origins of historically black colleges and universities.""

Source: www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: carewemust

The future of the country is in their hands !!

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: carewemust

The future of the country is in their hands !!

If I was an employer, there are certain schools that I would be wary about hiring graduates from. They would burn down my business if they got triggered.