Solar Mystery — What Happened to the Sun in 5480 BC?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Veliskovsky's prediction about Venus was confirmed after Einstein's death .

What prediction would that be?

Not that has anything to do with the topic, that is.

a reply to: Phage

What prediction would that be?

I would tell you but will say instead to look into the Doc. because that is where the eye witnesses testimony is and all you need to know to be convinced your self . This is not totally off topic because we are looking into something strange science has found and looking for reasons as to how that could be .I only offered a possible explanation that you are convinced is ridiculous without looking at the data and are stuck in a dogma about it for you to even consider .But that's ok and we can agree to disagree .

eta . and shame on you for being a scientist and not knowing what scientific predictions he made that were proven to be true .

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

The one I'm referring to would have plunged civilization into the dark except that the infrastructure wasn't in place yet.

So, if there hadn't been telegraphs wires, the only thing anyone would have noticed would have been the auroral activity?

That would seem to be similar to the event in the OP. Apart from a possible increase in cancer incidence for the generation at the time. Wow, that would be a fascinating point of inquiry.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll get on it. Aside from a meteor or comet impact, I think it's the greatest threat facing modern civilization, and something can be done about it before it's too late.

Yes, all they would have noticed would have been the auroral activity, seen half way down the continental USA. If the same thing happened now in this century, we're be screwed and it would take at least a year or so to get everything back up but by then it would be too late (things will have fallen apart).

Of course there could be massive CME's which don't have the Earth in their line of fire, but it's inevitable that it will happen again some day. Need to check and see how frequent such incidents are...

White Mountains of California are only about 100 miles north of me and a area i have been in many times.
In 5480 BC this area would have still had valley glaciers at the high elevations of this area.

The sierras are the next mountain range to the west and had major glaciers on the east side left over from the ice age.

There are a few things that could cause high C14.
Solar mass ejections.
Gamma ray burst from near by stars that might not even show up in the sky for more then a day or two.

a reply to: theantediluvian

i love trees, i dont hug them though, but i would if they hugged me back.

Wow a tree that is over 7000 years old, i could ponder on that tree for hours.
but what makes me curious is can we really create food for trees by setting
off nuclear bombs, did i understand that correct? and also i thought trees
used the air we animals expelled (carbon dioxide) as a source for living,
and we use the oxygen the trees breathe out, in one great circle of life,
we all keep each other alive, Mother nature (i think her name may be Sophia)
is magnificent is she not.
I like the idea of the Sun being the Father and the Earth being the Mother,
with all living things their children.
The moon may be the dodgy guy down the street.


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a reply to: the2ofusr1

when it comes to a theory, in scientific evaluations none can be considered ridiculous, that is ridiculous in itself.
the whole point of testing things, is to determine whether there is cause and effect.
for example if you never knew about the placebo and you went back to your doctor and said thanks for they pills, they worked a treat, can you tell me what was in them, and he came back to you saying "sugar", it was just your belief that made you better,
then you would say that is ridiculous, but it is not, and we know very little, if anything at all about consciousness.
Scientists just recently proved everything vibrates in the universe, vibrations=waves=information.
for all we know the planets are more conscious entities than us, there are many unexplained phenomenon..... but maybe thats because the answer to them is ridiculous to our way of thinking at this stage.
"the only thing i know is that i know nothing, and im not even sure about that" Socrates.

a reply to: Davg80

when it comes to a theory, in scientific evaluations none can be considered ridiculous, that is ridiculous in itself. the whole point of testing things, is to determine whether there is cause and effect.

I can agree with you on the theory part . The cause of effects can be a bit blurry for me though .Take our moon and our tides for instance .It might be more logical to say our tides cause the moon's phases if we don't impose orbital mechanics as our first criteria .

ie. If the moon has such a effect on the water then we should be able to test that theory on a large body of water disconnected from the oceans .This has been looked at and there does not seem to be a effect . Maybe neither is a cause and something else id at work and it just so happens that the moon , the oceans ,the womans cycle ,and other things are its effects that just happen to coincide with each other in some manner .

I like the electric universe model personally . but its a ridiculous model especially to main stream science .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

i actually just read this article recently..www.pbs.org...
basically says everything in the universe vibrates, i think that the whole universe is generating information, and that consciousness permeates everything, Vibrations-waves-information, and consciousness and the universe both evolve from each other, ever expanding...... just some recent thoughts on my reason for being

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: the2ofusr1

i actually just read this article recently..www.pbs.org...
basically says everything in the universe vibrates, i think that the whole universe is generating information, and that consciousness permeates everything, Vibrations-waves-information, and consciousness and the universe both evolve from each other, ever expanding...... just some recent thoughts on my reason for being

"Vibrations" in a quantum field != "vibrations" used by new agers. You don't have good vibrations, bad vibrations, higher vibrations, lower vibrations etc. You can't raise your vibrations, nor change the frequency or any of that hippy dippy stuff.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
ie. If the moon has such a effect on the water then we should be able to test that theory on a large body of water disconnected from the oceans .This has been looked at and there does not seem to be a effect .

Citation needed.

Tidal forces are a basic outcome of the action of gravity on macroscale objects in orbit.

Consider - a rock on the near side of the Moon and another just like it on the far side. Left to themselves, they'd be in different orbits. Tidal forces derive from the fact that they're not.

a reply to: Bedlam

Sure :>)

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Bedlam

Sure :>)

Orbital mechanics is your friend. Doubly so if you just LOVE differential equations.

a reply to: Bedlam

Doubly so if you just LOVE differential equations.

No doubt .

a reply to: Bedlam

You can think want you want mate but you shouldn't state as if you "KNOW", cause you dont know much!

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: the2ofusr1




"Vibrations" in a quantum field != "vibrations" used by new agers. You don't have good vibrations, bad vibrations, higher vibrations, lower vibrations etc. You can't raise your vibrations, nor change the frequency or any of that hippy dippy stuff.

Citation needed............

a reply to: Bedlam

You got Citations on that statement bud, i feel blessed to be talking to someone that knows it all.

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Bedlam

You got Citations on that statement bud, i feel blessed to be talking to someone that knows it all.

I know QFT vibrations aren't what Chopra talks about.

Maybe a meteor or an astroid strike,I know they think earth had a devastation about 12,000 yrs ago,as well as about 8000 yrs ago,would explain ancient city's destroyed,mass flooding etc,extinct animal's and perhaps another form of inhabitants