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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: FelisOrion
You are working under the presumption that Islam is a religion - let's be extremely clear - it is not a 'religion' by way of the western definition of the word - more an all encompassing way of life where submission to Allah is only one part of it.
Devout Muslims would rank the Koran as the ultimate authority on morality, laws and human conduct over any other document in existence and we see in all countries where Islam is practiced, this self-segregation and refusal to assimilate into foreign cultures will ensure it remains a pariah to the collective consciousness of humanity.
Funny. All my Muslim friends and all the myslims in my are all seem to be assimilating and mingling with us just fine.
But then I guess I have my eyes open to sw this. You should try it.
Let me ask...do you actually know any Muslims?
Yes, I work in Indonesia visiting approx 3 months a year, have done so for the past 10 years. I lived on Christmas Island, a predominantly Islamic society, for many years amassing many life long friends. I directly employ folks from Saudi Arabia and Qatar in the oil and gas industry and have visited the Middle East countless times in my maritime career.
Yes, I know Muslims, I work and live with them.
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: FelisOrion
You are working under the presumption that Islam is a religion - let's be extremely clear - it is not a 'religion' by way of the western definition of the word - more an all encompassing way of life where submission to Allah is only one part of it.
Devout Muslims would rank the Koran as the ultimate authority on morality, laws and human conduct over any other document in existence and we see in all countries where Islam is practiced, this self-segregation and refusal to assimilate into foreign cultures will ensure it remains a pariah to the collective consciousness of humanity.
Funny. All my Muslim friends and all the myslims in my are all seem to be assimilating and mingling with us just fine.
But then I guess I have my eyes open to sw this. You should try it.
Let me ask...do you actually know any Muslims?
Yes, I work in Indonesia visiting approx 3 months a year, have done so for the past 10 years. I lived on Christmas Island, a predominantly Islamic society, for many years amassing many life long friends. I directly employ folks from Saudi Arabia and Qatar in the oil and gas industry and have visited the Middle East countless times in my maritime career.
Yes, I know Muslims, I work and live with them.
That's a nice list. Tell me something, since all those are Islamic countries, where exactly have you seen Muslims not assimilating.
Because if you are telling the truth and really have done all that as met all those people then you would know how friendly, generous and welcoming Muslims are.
I know because I lived in Saudi arabia for 10 years and then went to a French school in London with lots of Middle eastern people there and now live in North London which is chock full of them .
originally posted by: wdkirk
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: FelisOrion
You are working under the presumption that Islam is a religion - let's be extremely clear - it is not a 'religion' by way of the western definition of the word - more an all encompassing way of life where submission to Allah is only one part of it.
Devout Muslims would rank the Koran as the ultimate authority on morality, laws and human conduct over any other document in existence and we see in all countries where Islam is practiced, this self-segregation and refusal to assimilate into foreign cultures will ensure it remains a pariah to the collective consciousness of humanity.
Funny. All my Muslim friends and all the myslims in my are all seem to be assimilating and mingling with us just fine.
But then I guess I have my eyes open to sw this. You should try it.
Let me ask...do you actually know any Muslims?
Yes, I work in Indonesia visiting approx 3 months a year, have done so for the past 10 years. I lived on Christmas Island, a predominantly Islamic society, for many years amassing many life long friends. I directly employ folks from Saudi Arabia and Qatar in the oil and gas industry and have visited the Middle East countless times in my maritime career.
Yes, I know Muslims, I work and live with them.
That's a nice list. Tell me something, since all those are Islamic countries, where exactly have you seen Muslims not assimilating.
Because if you are telling the truth and really have done all that as met all those people then you would know how friendly, generous and welcoming Muslims are.
I know because I lived in Saudi arabia for 10 years and then went to a French school in London with lots of Middle eastern people there and now live in North London which is chock full of them .
I think he is generally speaking about those of Islamic faith that do not follow a countries laws because they hold the word of Allah as the governing body not the laws of the country they might migrate to.
There was talk about this with the troubles Europe has had with the influx of refugees. I'll see if I can find an article or two on it.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Deaf Alien
You can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs.
If they are committed to immigrating legally, once Obama's farce of a vetting program has been fixed they will be welcomed.
But instead of running away, why don't they work to fix their own country?
Seriously, Obama has nothing to do with this.
Do you have to have an excuse for Trump?
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
Two brothers, their wives and children left war-torn Syria with 16 suitcases and crossed the border into Lebanon. They were finally on their way to the United States after working for almost 15 years to join their family members stateside.
The Assalis are Orthodox Christians, one of the most persecuted groups in Syria.
Syrian Christian family, visas in hand, turned back at airport.
I thought we were going to let the Christians in? Or is the vetting process more complicated than we thought? And I thought they scoffed at the accusation of "Muslim ban"?
So far Trump has done everything he promised.
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Deaf Alien
If they are committed to immigrating legally, once Obama's farce of a vetting program has been fixed they will be welcomed. But instead of running away, why don't they work to fix their own country?
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
Two brothers, their wives and children left war-torn Syria with 16 suitcases and crossed the border into Lebanon. They were finally on their way to the United States after working for almost 15 years to join their family members stateside.
The Assalis are Orthodox Christians, one of the most persecuted groups in Syria.
Syrian Christian family, visas in hand, turned back at airport.
I thought we were going to let the Christians in? Or is the vetting process more complicated than we thought? And I thought they scoffed at the accusation of "Muslim ban"?
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Kuroodo
I think the EO's were specifically a ban for specific countries, not religion.
I'm not sure though. Every day is a new EO headline; I'm losing track fast
Me too.
Seems whatever his whim of the day is.
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
I have a question for people against this temporary ban.
Trump makes a compelling argument for why we should ban these people from coming into our country, do you have a counter argument with better reasoning of why we should allow these people into our country?
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
I have a question for people against this temporary ban.
Trump makes a compelling argument for why we should ban these people from coming into our country, do you have a counter argument with better reasoning of why we should allow these people into our country?
Because you still have a sign at the door that says :
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
You telling me your people have not been working for the past couple of years vetting people to get families out of conflict zones?
You guys new?
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
Tell me, how does moving in refugees benefit Regular Joe that got laid off from the factory?