A 627-year-old 'blood miracle' failed to occur, heralding disaster for 2017

its strange how predictions only predict disasters eh....

mentalists

a reply to: butcherguy

Maybe he should be Pope then?

When he can turn water into wine, walk on water, or tackle some of the more pressing issues Humanity has to offer, then ile be impressed.

Until then i think the Vatican should desist from speculation and promoting there particular brand of doom porn considering there duplicity in the matter.

After all that's pretty much self fulfilling prophecy considering the geopolitical state of the world, its like me saying its going to rain next week........chances are.

Evidence sounds weak to me. Sure they nailed the beginning of WWII, which is important, but they missed the other greatest tragedies, and those cholera outbreaks and earthquakes are weak, you can find something in any year.

That being said if it was a locally based prophecy, the Italians were obviously big during WWII but relatively peaceful for WWI, and the earthquake and cholera were both local events, no?

So maybe Italy won't have a good year.

originally posted by: lordcomac
liquefied just fine in 1913, eh?

I don't buy it.

Seems like it tends to be mainly regional, unless its something really major for the world, like ww2? I agree that the year 1913 when the the federal reserve was created was bad news for the world, but, mainly bad news for the US (which happens to, nowadays, control a lot of the world whether directly or indirectly, but in 1913? mainly a US problem). You'd think the IMF, World Bank, or the BIC or BIS or other would be considered the "worldwide" economic takeover crisis event?

I guess we will see. Maybe the results are fixed, and the coming disasters, including major earthquakes killing thousands, were planned. Hey it was 1980, the tech could definitely have existed at the time. Even if they just drilled a couple of deep holes and dropped some conventional explosives. Then faked the seismograph readings, if there were any in that area at that time. But, of course, I believe that much more sophisticated quake tech existed and was probably used at the time. But not necessarily during the circa 1980 quake mentioned here.

Then again, maybe the miracle is real. Who knows?

I wonder if the blood could fail to liquefy over an event that is not noticed by the public, but is detrimental to the future of humanity. Like an elite team of scientists working for Earth's hidden rulers deep down in a D.U.M.B. invents interdimensional travel or interdimensional collapsing of timelines into one, or creates time travel? The blood fails to liquefy and nothing world changing happens as far as the masses can see, so, they "officially" pin it on an earthquake which kills a few thousand, or a cholera outbreak... then, years or decades later, in an unrelated incident, a strange phenomena known as "The Mandela Effect" is pointed out and goes viral, on the internet...

off topic alert!

I used to think that THIS ----> was an exclamation point, being that it's located right next to the question mark, and it looks kinda like an exclamation point. (why is there a question mark, but no exclamation point:? But now I think it's a light bulb, because the text input code that shows up when you click on it is "idea" (except surrounded by colons... lol... I just said "surrounded by colons"... what the heck? over.) and because it kinda looks like a light bulb.

But why put it right next to the question mark? Put it over by the bomb. Or is that a slightly tilted water jug being refilled? Heh heh just kidding... What was classic was when someone could not figure out what the medal/badge/award thing is. Someone called it a toilet with a star in it I think...

originally posted by: jellyrev

I did not know Catholics were into voodoo like rituals.

Voodoo was in part inspired by the Catholic rituals of colonials. Catholicism is heavily steeped in ritual and ceremony.

Aren't you even familiar with the blood and body of Christ ritual that is probably the most common.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: PillarOfFire

Well they do say "there is nothing new under the sun".

Lets just say i imagine there is enough evidence of there wrongdoings and meddling down there to bury there hypocritical religious ideologies up to the neck.

Never mind the vast sums of monies they have tucked away in there Vatican vaults and bank accounts that could have a significant impact regarding world poverty should they ever be made available to alleviate or tackle the issue.

Faith, Hope and Charity my arse "They" are all about control.

That's just it, I know. Plus you add in the Gold embedded in the walls of the Beast itself Inc. candle sticks trimmings floors and God knows what else these f'ng people could feed the world and end poverty.

Control is what they weild and, the world is their whipping boy. Some believe they created atleast two of the world's religions, theirs and Islam to further their control to keep everyone in line and the gravy train running.

Reminds me Sinead O'Connor in the 80's ripping up a picture of the Pope during an SNL performance. Voltaire: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise".

I would say IT'S MORE the guy holding it.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: butcherguy

Maybe he should be Pope then?

When he can turn water into wine, walk on water, or tackle some of the more pressing issues Humanity has to offer, then ile be impressed.

Until then i think the Vatican should desist from speculation and promoting there particular brand of doom porn considering there duplicity in the matter.

After all that's pretty much self fulfilling prophecy considering the geopolitical state of the world, its like me saying its going to rain next week........chances are.

He basically proved that there was nothing special about the blood in the vial. The vial itself has no provenance before 1382 (1,000 years after he was decapitated) or somewhere around that time, so no one can be sure that it is the blood of the saint that it is attributed to, or if it even is blood.

I showed my husband this article earlier. I said "Hey, you used to be a RC die-hard, even almost went to seminary. Explain this weird s# Catholics do!"

His reply: "Closet pagans in denial."

Fair enough. Not going to argue with that.

a reply to: butcherguy

That's the thing with these so called Saintly relics, there providence can be rather sketchy at times, just like the organised religion that apparently spawned the curious objects.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: jellyrev

I did not know Catholics were into voodoo like rituals.

Voodoo was in part inspired by the Catholic rituals of colonials. Catholicism is heavily steeped in ritual and ceremony.

Aren't you even familiar with the blood and body of Christ ritual that is probably the most common.

And Protestants still participate in Communion where they symbolically eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood.

www.kencollins.com...

End of the world again?

Oh well..party on!

a reply to: loam

SUPERSTITION is all that that is. you can believe it or not.

Has it ever failed to liquefy before?

If so when and did disasters happen then too?

www.unexplainedstuff.com...

the blood itself is more interesting
studying the long term preservation of blood
if they managed to successfully do it
then whatever DNA we could extract would be valuable

ije.oxfordjournals.org...

an alchemist might suggest burning it to ashes in a sealed jar
washing it with its own water

who knows
we might get januarius back...

a reply to: olaru12

If you ask some long time hard core Catholics, they believe that little wafer cookie they're eating is actually Jesus Christ, as in physically real.

a reply to: PillarOfFire

Kind of more to do with symbolism more than the actual consumption of Human flesh, Jesus flavored or otherwise.

Who knows what they get up to behind closed doors all the same? Christianity does have its roots in some rather strange religious practices, dating back long before its inception.

originally posted by: loam
A 627-year-old 'blood miracle' failed to occur, heralding disaster for 2017

And such ignorant pagan magic pretends to masquerade as Xtianity!
Oh the irony!

a reply to: loam

Oh trust me, the people of Naples, Italy sure do believe in such a thing and I know because I lived there for a few years. When you're literally living around and ON an active volcano, Mount Vesuvius, you take all the help you can get that it won't go off. The people of Naples live life one day at a time and enjoy every second which must be why I always saw them drinking wine at all hours of the day.

This is a very important ceremony for them and I'm sure they'll be enjoying life much more now that the dried blood of Saint Januarius failed to liquefy. Last thing they want is another Pompeii because that's exactly what this ceremony is about, Naples, not the rest of the world.

originally posted by: Realtruth
Here's my questions:

Why do they have dried blood in special ampules?

How did they know to store his particular blood?

And why do they keep doing rituals with just his blood?


I thought the blood of Christ was the only way. Anywhooo back to my morning coffee.

The dried blood of Saint Januarius failed to liquefy in a ceremony in Naples,

It's a Catholic Church thing.

They like to keep bits of the bodies of their saints. They call them relics. Some relics, like this one, are thought to have special powers because of the residual holiness of the person in questions. It can be anything from bits of bone to vials of blood.

In this case, it's blood.

As to how this practice started? I don't know. I'm not Catholic.

a reply to: ketsuko

en.wikipedia.org...

Ritual of liquefaction

The blood is stored in two hermetically sealed small ampoules, held since the 17th century in a silver reliquary between two round glass plates about 12 cm wide. The smaller ampoule (of cylindrical shape) contains only a few reddish spots on its walls, the bulk having allegedly been removed and taken to Spain by Charles III. The larger ampoule, with capacity of about 60 ml and almond-shaped, is about 60% filled with a dark reddish substance.[22][13] Separate reliquaries hold bone fragments believed to belong to Saint Januarius.

For most of the time, the ampoules are kept in a bank vault, whose keys are held by a commission of local notables, including the Mayor of Naples; while the bones are kept in a crypt under the main altar of Naples Cathedral. On feast days, all these relics are taken in procession from the cathedral to the Monastery of Santa Chiara, where the archbishop holds the reliquary up and tilts it to show that the contents are solid, and places it on the high altar next to the saint's other relics. After intense prayers by the faithful, including the so-called "relatives of Saint Januarius" (parenti di San Gennaro), the content of the larger vial typically liquefies. The archbishop then holds up the vial and tilts it again to demonstrate that liquefaction has taken place. The announcement of the liquefaction is greeted with a 21-gun salute at the 13th-century Castel Nuovo. The ampoules remain exposed on the altar for eight days, while the priests move or turn them periodically to show that the contents remain liquid.[22]

The liquefaction sometimes takes place almost immediately, but can take hours or even days. Records kept at the Duomo tell that on rare occasions the contents fail to liquefy, are found already liquefied when the ampoules are taken from the safe,[23] or liquefy outside the usual dates.[22]