Economist Steve Moore: Civil War in the US If Election Results Overturned

Trump is making America great

a reply to: TheBulk

Shocking Fox News is peddling more fear and BS. The results aren't going to be overturn but how sad it would be if people took the streets in Trump's honor.

Jesus, what the hell happened to America?

originally posted by: ketsuko

This is what you all rely on

Define "you all."

Seems like you're making some assumptions about me.

-- one side won't do anything. That's the way it is.

Neither side will do anything. Neither side ever does anything. People aren't going to start a civil war. The most you're going to get are people protesting or burning things for a few weeks until they get thrown in jail or whatever. End of story.

People for the most part in America are comfortable. Far too comfortable to take up arms and start shooting strangers en masse, a lunatic or two nonwithstanding.

a reply to: Swills

I'm selling picnic baskets at a discount. Would you like one?

originally posted by: suvorov
Trump is making America great

Astonishing how a candidate and her supporters can refuse to accept the results of an election and it's all somehow the other guy's fault.

This is why we're headed toward Civil War. The election had a winner, but one side won't accept that. They will keep picking until they get the result they want, and if that is the way it is going to be, then we no longer have free or fair elections no matter what the process turns up.

And if that is the way people see it is, then what stops us from a fight?

a reply to: Greggers

We've had people rioting in the streets, but they did nothing?

We have two of the four campaigns now whining about the results despite admitting there is no evidence that anything untoward happened and demanding a recount, but no one does anything?

a reply to: loam

Sell them to the conservatives because they've been wanting a civil war for YEARS now.

Civil war?

What are the Trump zombies going to do?

They lost the race by two million votes


Nobodies afraid of Trump and his bogus army of zombies

originally posted by: ketsuko
We've had people rioting in the streets, but they did nothing?

I repeat:

The most you're going to get are people protesting or burning things for a few weeks until they get thrown in jail or whatever. End of story.

As far as this goes:

We have two of the four campaigns now whining about the results despite admitting there is no evidence that anything untoward happened and demanding a recount, but no one does anything?

You're taking the word "anything" too literally. Yes, people breathe. They paint their houses. The take massive dumps after eating Taco Bell. They Protest. They burn things. They murder each other and get thrown in jail. They engage in various political activities.

What they are NOT going to do is start a civil war. And the people protesting and getting thrown in jail will continue to be a very small minority of the population. Why? Because all those things MOST people are doing (like taking a dump after eating Taco Bell) are of much greater interest to them than politics of any sort.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

...and what, pray, would you suggest? Should this, however unlikely, event happen? Just roll over and acquiesce to it?

Civil War? Perhaps not. Civil unrest? That seems very likely. Depending upon the methods used to quell said unrest, that'd decide whether or not there's a civil war.

What do you, in you infinite wisdom, think would happen, or should happen?

a reply to: Willtell

Did you take any sort of civics in school? The national total of votes is totally, by law, irrelevant. Utterly, and completely, without meaning.

Only the votes within the states matter. You don't like it, too damned bad. Get the Constitution changed if it's so horrible.

a reply to: Willtell

2 million liberals cry baby pansies. Come swinging at you with an open hand wondering why it isn't hurting. Yeah anyone worried about the left in a civil war is probably left aswell. I say bring it on. Lessons sometimes need to be taught to the ones who really have no clue. There will be no safe place for you to suck your thumb while tears fall down your cheek.

originally posted by: sooth
Why would anyone go to war over 2 sociopaths that don't give a damn about any of them?

Only those drunk on the Koolaid would do it.

Might be a good thing if the herd of idiots thin themselves out.

Remember the General (CoS?) telling the troops to not join with Americans in a fight until the new president takes office? There are a large number of Americans that have been getting ready for war. How it plays out? There is a good 20 million people ready to fight. Their numbers also include veterans.

However, they are more concerned about a revolution or a total collapse of the system. If a civil war broke out then there will be a quite a number join in. People don't realize the number here. If 2% decided to fight, That would be over 6 million people. Our military would fracture at the prospect of killing fellow Americans. It would be an ugly war. It would consist of guerrilla, factional, regional, federal, state, local, etc.

The country could break up into regional controlling areas. The government has been preparing for such an eventuality. You would probably see arms and advisors coming in from different countries, like in Syria, to include real military interests. Remember, certain governments would love to see the US government fall and would jump in supporting different sides.

Best bet would be to not go there. At this point I have a wait and see approach. Once conflict starts in earnest you can figure the internet and communications would be shut down by the government to prevent coordination. Then it would be only militias, radio operators, and perhaps some sat phones communicating. The supply chain to stores would fail and at that point many more people will join for various reasons. Some to restore civilization, some to destroy government. Many differing interests and ideologies would create the factions I mentioned above. Some just to defend their state or local territory. As I said it would be ugly for any war to break out in the US with all the heavily armed populace.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: loam

Sell them to the conservatives because they've been wanting a civil war for YEARS now.

Right.

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Didn't Trump win the majority of the military and police vote?

He also has the Pro-2nd crowd and the gun owners if I'm not mistaken.

I'm not sure what the left is bringing to this hypothetical and unlikely war. Broadcast of feminist literature? A giant sky projection of a Richard Simmons tape perhaps?

originally posted by: Willtell
Civil war?

What are the Trump zombies going to do?

They lost the race by two million votes


Nobodies afraid of Trump and his bogus army of zombies

I'm sure you've been told this but I will repeat it. The total nationwide popular vote count has no bearing on deciding the president-elect. Each individual state plus DC holds a vote. The first candidate to receive enough votes to put them "past the post" is declared the winner and is awarded all the electoral votes for that particular state. Most states are run with this system although a few are not. This is a basic explanation of the system.

This system is wise. It gives each state a "voice" in the election. A perfect example is this election. Clinton does have the majority of the meaningless nationwide vote. Why is this? One state, California, provided Clinton with those two million votes(and more) you mentioned. California's millions of votes should matter in one state - California. This is the case with our current system.

Clinton lost the race. She did not receive the majority of votes in our system. I hope I explained the situation well enough to be understood.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The election had a winner, but one side won't accept that.

Technically, we had two winners.

Trump (presumably) won the electoral college. Clinton, however, won the popular vote by a margin of over 2 million votes - before a recount. That's almost 2% of the voters.

We'll see what the recount says. (For the record, I voted Clinton and did not suspect fraud...but when various statisticians and scientists pointed out the statistically unusual pattern of voting AND officials reported that there were discrepancies I agree that a recount is needed to confirm that the data given is real.)

Steve Moore doesn't want a recount because he doesn't want Hillary to win the election. I think a recount is a good idea, if there were no problems, the vote will stay the same and Trump will remain president.

There is nothing to worry about though, because I was just listening to Jill Stein and she said there was no evidence of tampering at this point.