Hundreds of veterans heading to standing rock to defend DAPL protesters from police!!

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
There are still a lot of people here in the U.S. that harbor a racial bias against the Native Americans. I believe that there are some people who still believe in the 19th century attitude that "the only good Injun is a dead Injun". It's strange to me in a way, although universally common it seems, that the conquering race despises the conquered one and treats them as sub-class citizens, even characterizes them as less than human.

The attitude may be something like, "Screw those damned, lazy, drunk Indians living off of my tax money. They ought to be happy they got casinos".

Our country committed attempted genocide and took everything the Natives had, yet the Indians are the savage subhumans without rights or without any regard for the fact they are citizens or even human beings.

And that is what makes these current actions so egregious, ultimately in my eyes to be considered a continuation of the genocide you speak of, sacred land is sacred land, to hell with your oil profits!

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: anotherside
a reply to: elementalgrove

The president needs to order the military in to arrest the police who are committing these offenses and then edict a full halt to the pipeline.

He has no authority to do that.

That's too bad, I guess this is another moments where indigenous people are abused and oppressed because of a rich man's dream of getting richer off the suffering of others..too bad, I had such high hopes too..oh well, back to watching stupid TV shows that keep me distracted and dumbed down.

a reply to: anotherside

What you are advocating would be to solve on perceived tyranny with a realized one.

I am currently waiting for some actual information on what is happening down there without the hyperbole or agenda.

Just once I'd like to read a dispassionate assessment of what has transpired there since the protests began.

a reply to: elementalgrove

I look at this as a conquered people and the land of our country as the spoils of war. The U.S. beat them down to near extinction, yet that isn't good enough. That's the part that pisses me off, the government keeps kicking them when their down.

However, to me, the more important point is that they are citizens, and as such we should be united against an abusive government.

a reply to: projectvxn

I didn't think it is tyranny to stop tyrants. Guess my moral compass must have an error.

I am trying to follow the events there, since i saw that video of the militarized police terrorizing the original owners of this country. In germany i only read once one small article about what´s happening there, nothing more. There was more media coverage when the Bundy events happened. Maybe because the Bundy´s were white descendants of illegal european migrants(their descendants) too, and not native americans?

At least it´s nice to see that the illegal european migrants(their descendants) help the original owners of the land to defend themselves against other illegal european migrants(their descendants).

Good veterans that have a feeling for right and wrong, doing the right things now. That´s something the USA can be proud of!

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Honestly I think that it is a continuation of the beat down, elements of our government would like nothing more than to stamp out the natives.

It infuriates me that when you bring up their rights people look at you and have the audacity to say "what more could they want, we gave them casinos", "they are a bunch of lazy alcoholics", "you ever been to a reservation, they are like ghetto's".

All kinds of racist diatribes, based in completely misunderstanding what has happened to their spirit. We have destroyed everything they hold dear. We have no respect for the land or animals. These sacred spots are literally all they have left and here comes the government stomping it out.

I think some of it has to do with the spiritual power they have. There ceremonies and rituals are powerful invocations of spirit. At all costs they want to stamp this out.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

I think there is no media coverage for DAPL because there of the unity that we are seeing. People are coming together to stand with the Native's and the land all across the board. This is what the State is terrified of and with the vets heading there it will be very interesting to see what move they make.

It very well may change the entire course, unless of course they wish for the world to see Gestapo militarized police violently attacking veterans and native's as well as the rest of the peaceful protesters.

a reply to: elementalgrove

This is great news!!! I'm optimistic that their presence will help at least bring more national attention to the situation. But there is still much that could go wrong. The government has proven before that they will attack veterans just like they'll attack civilians.

The Day the U.S. Army Attacked WWI Veterans & their Kids

THE SAD TALE OF THE BONUS MARCHERS

And I hope they watch out for fed infiltrators, even agent provacateurs. The feds play dirty. Even at the Oregon standoff, there were many fed agents undercover...

Meanwhile in Oregon: Trial of ‘armed standoff’ defendants reveals tactics by small army of undercover agents

The Justice Department, without naming any names, admitted that at least nine Malheur occupiers were undercover informants.

Roots noted that “heavily redacted documents in the hands of the defense suggest the number of informants was actually at least 15.”

FBI Agents Caught Posing As Militia Members To Harass Locals In Oregon

These protesters need to learn from the Bundy protests. I know they don't want to consider themselves in the same class as the Bundy protesters; but from the Feds perspective, they are exactly the same, and they will treat them exactly the same.

Good luck and God bless to them all.

originally posted by: anotherside
a reply to: projectvxn

I didn't think it is tyranny to stop tyrants. Guess my moral compass must have an error.

You should refer to the various laws that prevent the president from interfering with law enforcement, especially using the military.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: anotherside
a reply to: projectvxn

I didn't think it is tyranny to stop tyrants. Guess my moral compass must have an error.

You should refer to the various laws that prevent the president from interfering with law enforcement, especially using the military.

well at least veterans know what's up. I'm praying for their safety. Humanity is really getting on my nerves en mass since 9-11. Just keep watching TV and looking for information on the net, others are taking care of you. It's all shopping and toys and stuff.

a reply to: JinMI

This is what people should be paying attention to, rather than all the contrived, ridiculous election drama. Here we have law enforcement turning water cannons and shooting rubber bullets into the faces of Native Americans who are trying to stop an oil pipeline from threatening the stability of their water supply, and instead of questioning things like the disproportionately aggressive force being employed, to use your example, the rest of the nation ignores it completely, devoting all their time and energy to this convoluted B-movie saga known as the 2016 Presidential Election.

All of this has been getting exponentially more out of control, yet MSM is largely silent...and since most people turn to those outlets for their news, MSM can easily steer the focus to other things...such as "leaked" emails with "coded messages" magically falling into our laps, with a convenient trail of bread crumbs leading to some of the most despised individuals in the nation...all wrapped up nice and tidy.Now, the people who fought to protect Americans against enemies on foreign soil are stepping up to protect the original Americans against enemies in their own government.

There is something very wrong here, and it is alarming how many people seem unable to discern that. They won't have a choice if this goes sideways with the veterans...people will blow off an injustice done to the native people of this land, but if militarized police attack hundreds of veteran US soldiers, Americans will pay attention. I've got a bad feeling about this, and have for a while. It is entirely possible however, that the presence of the vets will give law enforcement pause and calm things down enough to halt the violence, so I'm hoping for that.

It seems the oil company (Energy Transfer Partners) is merging with Sunoco to improve the bottom line, how about using that freed-up money for improving pipeline technology as in eliminating explosions and leaks?

www.trueactivist.com...

Also concerning is the fact that both US “duopoly” presidential candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, are major advocates of fracking and pipeline construction, suggesting that – unless the general public stands up – the US’ fossil-fuel nightmare could quickly become worse as soon as January. Read More: www.trueactivist.com...

The aboriginal people on that land and the environmentalists have justification in their protests and there is a history of poor pipeline management and lack of concern for the environment.

To give a sense of proportion about property damage and workplace injury, according to ProPublica, Iowa had $10.7 million in damages between 2009 and 2012 and 4 injuries due to oil and hazardous material pipeline accidents. The Des Moines Register recent article more damningly stated “damages resulted in nearly $20 million in property damage, spilling a total of 10,712 gross barrels of hazardous liquids onto Iowa property, according to the federal Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.” www.desmoinesregister.com... One of ETP’s subsidiaries Sea Robin Pipeline alone has had over $84 million in damages and 2 injuries in its past. Beyond that, are a series of incidents involving ETP projects that are summarized below: Fire at facility caused by a natural gas compression unit that caught fire. January 17, 2013. www.madisonvillemeteor.com...

Gas explosion in Missouri. November 28, 2013. articles.chicagotribune.com... Gas pipeline explosion in Louisiana that caused rerouting of gas and destruction of a mobile home. June 18, 2013. oilpro.com...

Sealy Texas explosion in rural area. August 5, 2010. www.sealynews.com... Natural gas pipeline explosion in Cleburne, TX, $1,029,000 damages. June 7, 2010. www.ntsb.gov... 1 person killed , 3 injured in Mississippi .

Contractors working at a ETP pipeline caused an explosion. July 16, 2009. www.bloomberg.com... www.osha.gov...

Near Luling, Texas natural gas pipeline explosion that shot natural gas flames 400 feet into the air. August 38, 2008. www.reuters.com...; www.icis.com...

Many of the incidents involving ETP cited here are at pressurized natural gas or liquid gas facilities, the question is what about crude oil facilities? The best example of what could be of concern does not involve ETP, who are relatively new at moving crude oil. However in Michigan one of ETP’s competitors, a Canadian firm, Enbridge is still dealing with the cleanup of the Kalamazoo River that was caused when it’s crude oil pipeline leaked there in 2010 causing over $809 million in clean up efforts.

As Inside Climate News reported, “under orders from the EPA, Enbridge used an even more intrusive method in 2011 to clean up Talmadge Creek, a Kalamazoo tributary that received the brunt of the damage from the ruptured pipeline. The creek was so badly contaminated that Enbridge had to essentially rebuild two miles of it”

insideclimatenews.org...

www.blogforiowa.com...

a reply to: tigertatzen

Yes, let's hope so. It is really disturbing, and as you say, a horrid situation.
Veterans get together for things that matter.....veteran bikers especially. The Patriot Guard; Bikers for Babies; etc. Rolling Thunder is a phenomenon of remarkable proportion.

When they make noise, people pay attention. I am proud to be married to one of them. This is what you see from real veterans, real honorable people who took an oath that they intend to keep. To protect and serve. My husband was a Military Police Sergeant with Expert ranking in marksmanship.

When he gets a wasp under the chaps, he acts. So yes - the 'police' and the 'veterans' will have a bit of a chat, and things will turn a corner of some kind.

Happy thanksgiving.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Please extend my thanks to your husband for his service. And Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.😊 Here's to hoping whatever corner is turned, it will set everyone on a positive path.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: anotherside

What you are advocating would be to solve on perceived tyranny with a realized one.

I am currently waiting for some actual information on what is happening down there without the hyperbole or agenda.

Just once I'd like to read a dispassionate assessment of what has transpired there since the protests began.

I've been following this only a bit. I have seen the protesters become violent and also attack people with cameras and some ring leaders briefing the protesters not to talk to reporters. I don;t know why they would not want to talk and get the message out.

I've also heard that the protesters are lying about the land that the pipeline is crossing.

Is this as one sided as the OP makes out?

originally posted by: anotherside

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: anotherside
a reply to: projectvxn

I didn't think it is tyranny to stop tyrants. Guess my moral compass must have an error.

You should refer to the various laws that prevent the president from interfering with law enforcement, especially using the military.

well at least veterans know what's up. I'm praying for their safety. Humanity is really getting on my nerves en mass since 9-11. Just keep watching TV and looking for information on the net, others are taking care of you. It's all shopping and toys and stuff.

Being a veteran has nothing to do with this.

I'm a veteran myself. All I want is a dispassionate account of the events that took place at this protest. I also don't want to advocate for a unitary executive dictatorship, or a military one, just to make you feel better about the issues happening at this protest, whatever they may be.

a reply to: JinMI

No kidding, I 100% agree with you! There are "protests" which consist of Burning cities, Blocking major roads in and out of those same cities. Physical attacks on authorities who can't seem to contain the anarchy unleashed on these cities where the people must go out on the streets to do anything they can to ensure chaos prevails, while people are assaulted and businesses are LOOTED. Yet, these peaceful protesters who are praying in circles and moving burned out military vehicles off a bridge which ensures them a fast response from emergency vehicles and personnel, out in the middle of nowhere on thousands of acres of land, are attacked maliciously. If that didn't RAISE YOUR EYEBROW then the fact they shot down 4 out of 5 Drones the night of the attack to prevent anyone from witnessing what was going on in Standing Rock, which I absolutely watched live. They knocked the signal out somehow with ELRAD, then used the water cannon on the last Drone operator, in 26 degree weather.

a reply to: projectvxn

It's telling that you can't find info about this situation isn't it?

Here's one fact for you that gets over looked: the DAPL was originally going to run through Bizmark, ND but was moved to the reservation because Bizmark residents was concerned that it was too dangerous, and threatened their water and health.

a reply to: CajunMetal

It seems that even the protesters are staying tight lipped about this.

No one wants to give details or objective accounts. Media isn't following it, and the only place I can find info on this is either ATS or Facebook.

originally posted by: CajunMetal
but was moved to the reservation

Why are you claiming it is running through a reservation?