Racism is NOT why Donald Trump won the election

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

What racist words?

Neither mexican nor muslim is a race and even then Trump only reffered to criminal and terrorists segments as being criminals and terrorists, not all mexicans or muslims.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

but words are nothing.

We keep hearing this Co, but it is simply not true. It is the same old hackneyed slogan, 'sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me. Even a cursory study of cognitive sciences buries this old saw. The rise of consciousness in the human species is directly linked to and interwoven with our development of language and the words we use.

I remember words being nothing, but if you prefer to live in your P.C world, where everything that is ever said is dissected by someone just as qualified as yourself, then that's your decision.

Words were never NOTHING Co. Words are symbolic representations of abstract thought processes. We would not be where we are today without language. You know this, or should anyway. But it is only in the last couple of decades that our linguistic sciences have come to understand just how interwoven our consciousness are with the very words we use.

Now, by your saying " live in your PC world' you demonstrate that you have taken what I said according to the popular conservative slogan that has arisen in reaction to the over dramatization of these scientific discoveries. You accept for your own consciousness this popular umbrella as a context for listening to other people. Unless I misunderstand you, because I too have my own inability to fully understand what others are saying.

Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and North Carolina all voted for Obama 4 years ago, and voted for Trump last week. Stop calling us racist.

originally posted by: openminded2011
After watching the events of the past week, I feel I must assert this position for the forums. I do NOT believe racism or white supremecy played a major part in Donald Trumps winning the election. What I DO believe the won Trump the election is the following:

1 A rejection of globalization. Donald Trump consistently held a pro American, anti globalization position throughout the election. Hillary, as her emails revealed, held a neoliberal capitalist/ globalist position of open borders and hemispheric trade and outsourcing, as well as supporting H1B1 visas. Many of the states that voted against her were severely impacted by NAFTA, which she and her husband championed. Obama for months has been trying to push the TPP, which is NAFTA on steroids, and its likely Hillary would have tried to push it through after being elected. People simply did not want more of the same.

2. Trump came off as more honest and candid. Hillary's sound bytes seemed wooden and contrived, Donald came off like he was speaking from his heart, this resonated with a lot of people who are sick of politicians who are just towing a party line.

3. Lastly, Hillary's past and email scandals made her seem untrustworthy. People simply could not vote for someone with 30 years of scandals and fishy behavior.

4. To many voters, it as an act of defiance against the establishment. As Michael Moore correctly posited, Voting for Trump was a "huge F you" to Washington insiders and the political establishment. It might be considered irresponsible, but it simply outlined the level of frustration people feel when they feel they have no voice anymore.

To be sure, there was probably a small subset of voters whose voting might have been rooted in racism or xenophobia, but I believe the vast majority of voters voted for the reasons I outlined and not out of some racial hatred.

I do NOT think it represents some kind of return to the days before civil rights. It has NOTHING to do with racism, it has to do with ECONOMICS. I wish people would calm down and stop the violence and hatred. We are ALL in this together, black, white, brown, yellow and red, man and women.

Please be Americans and respect and support your fellow citizens.

Peace. [

Trump terrorist nations, are Afghanistan, Iraq, Morocco, Pakistan, the Philippines, Somalia, Syria, Uzbekistan and Yemen.
“we’re dealing with animals”.
As for globalism, Trump has a couple of towers in a couple of countries on that list, a De Facto globalist in his own interest. In fact I don't even think Donald knows the full consequence of globalism et al in regard to his own country.

In reference to Hillary, " Many of the states that voted against her were severely impacted by NAFTA, which she and her husband championed"
Bill may have, Hillary is on record saying that she didn't think that NAFTA was such a good idea as far back as 2007,
"NAFTA was a mistake to the extent that it did not deliver on what we had hoped it would, and that's why I call for a trade timeout," she said. So, a flip flop after a few years chewing on it.

Donald is no saviour, as much as hillary is no Angel, and it's unreal to try to potray him as such...that's pub talk.

It is partially the reason Trump won, but not in the way people think. It was the racialism, the prejudice, the soft bigotry, and all around racism of the Democrats and media that framed the entire election.

Don't forget protecting the 2nd Amendment from anti gun politicians. The alternative was watching government strip us of our arms while they demand we be obedient.

originally posted by: goou111
a reply to: openminded2011

I dont know how any one can say this country is racist after the last 8 years of a black POTUS. Hillary was white too

so I am not sure why everyone is crying racism.

I was on the bus today and met a white guy who has a Hispanic wife, and a biracial child. He felt that people voted for Trump out of racism, and I nicely disagreed with him by saying that it wasn't racism, although I truly feel America has much more to go to rid itself of it. That any animosity towards Obama had everything to do with him being smarter than a lot of those in the Republican Party, that the right is stubborn and they come off like a bunch of control freaks, as does the left especially after the Trump victory, that said the Internet is going to be controlled by those who are waging a war for your mind, they intend to wield a monster agenda machine on all those who use the Internet, so get ready because not so long from now, they are going to know what you want before you do.

originally posted by: greenfox86

that said the Internet is going to be controlled by those who are waging a war for your mind, they intend to wield a monster agenda machine on all those who use the Internet, so get ready because not so long from now, they are going to know what you want before you do.

The last para is all you needed to say, except that you are a generation late for the party.

originally posted by: openminded2011
After watching the events of the past week, I feel I must assert this position for the forums. I do NOT believe racism or white supremecy played a major part in Donald Trumps winning the election. What I DO believe the won Trump the election is the following:

1 A rejection of globalization. Donald Trump consistently held a pro American, anti globalization position throughout the election. Hillary, as her emails revealed, held a neoliberal capitalist/ globalist position of open borders and hemispheric trade and outsourcing, as well as supporting H1B1 visas. Many of the states that voted against her were severely impacted by NAFTA, which she and her husband championed. Obama for months has been trying to push the TPP, which is NAFTA on steroids, and its likely Hillary would have tried to push it through after being elected. People simply did not want more of the same.

2. Trump came off as more honest and candid. Hillary's sound bytes seemed wooden and contrived, Donald came off like he was speaking from his heart, this resonated with a lot of people who are sick of politicians who are just towing a party line.

3. Lastly, Hillary's past and email scandals made her seem untrustworthy. People simply could not vote for someone with 30 years of scandals and fishy behavior.

4. To many voters, it was an act of defiance against the establishment. As Michael Moore correctly posited, Voting for Trump was a "huge F you" to Washington insiders and the political establishment. It might be considered irresponsible, but it simply outlined the level of frustration people feel when they feel they have no voice anymore.

To be sure, there was probably a small subset of voters whose voting might have been rooted in racism or xenophobia, but I believe the vast majority of voters voted for the reasons I outlined and not out of some racist hatred.

I do NOT think it represents some kind of return to the days before civil rights. In my opinion, it has NOTHING to do with racism, it has to do with ECONOMICS. I wish people would calm down and stop the violence and hatred. We are ALL in this together, black, white, brown, yellow and red, man and women.

Please be Americans and respect and support your fellow citizens.

Peace.

I can understand your point, and see them. BUT, Trump is problematic too. He has a corrupt history and deep ties to the establishment, not to mention being an actual member of the trans-national corporation uber-elite.. He has people making things for him in China, guys.. Come now.

Also, he DID manipulate the alt right wing of the populace, and purposefully say some hateful statements about immigrants and Muslims, that detract from his credibility. Plus, those statements and support from the alt right have created deep fear in a number of minority communities. A lot of my friends are fearful.

He is also trying to pull the US out of the climate negotiations, and just appointed an anti-environmentalist to the EPA.. That makes him not a responsible politician in my book, but a shill for the wealthy oligarchy.]]

Having said all that, Glenn Greenwald basically agrees with your premise. This article is probably the best I've read out of the election cycle.

theintercept.com...

He basically agrees that these were the motives of an anti-Clinton vote, but like me recognizes that Trump is a con man.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
You missed a main point to Trump's victory.

The media is vastly liberal and had Hillary a easy winner for the last two years. She had won already in so many eyes that they didn't even put of a fight against her except for an old socialist. That old socialist actually had a good chance to take it from her so they fix it good, they wanted no "surprises" with Bernie.

As you suggest, lot's of issues with Clinton, so when you add it up that many felt she had the win no matter what (thanks media), plus those feeling Bernie got rolled, equaled people just not going to the polls in the end.

The liberals voted by not voting...end of story....

I certainly voted.

Racism played a part.

The main problem was the Clinton campaign did not pay enough attention to campaigning in middle America. They horribly underestimated that vote. The second, was that Trump used to his advantage, smartly I might add, probably a billion in free publicity. All publicity is good publicity and the media let him talk and talk and talk. They also talked endlessly about him. That was worth 1 million times it's weight in gold.

a reply to: goou111

yep,

There were no black candidates on the ballot for president, so no matter which candidate that you voted for be they, republican, libertarian, democrat,green party etc, you voted for a white person.

a reply to: reldra

Absolutely.

Had the media given endless airtime to the third party candidates, well we would see a completely different outcome to the elections. It's curious, how the media shut out Ron Paul, and had proven that giving no airtime guarantees little voter support. Almost like the MSM wanted Donald Trump to win...

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

even then Trump only reffered to criminal and terrorists segments as being criminals and terrorists, not all mexicans or muslims.

His proposed ban was for all muslims. No muslims would be allowed entry. A "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the States" as Trump said. Until we can figure out "what the hell is going on". This is a guilty until proven innocent mentality applied to all muslims.

Apparently that was removed from his website and he's now working on a 'registration system' for Muslims.

if there is a racist country, its definitely NOT America.
none sense. trump won because people wanted to make america great again.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

I don't see it removed from his website? Where did you get that?

Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration (New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women. Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump

Donald J Trump

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: goou111
It has nothing to do with racism. but maybe its sexism. We are just not ready for a woman to lead .

Black man is fine as long as it is a man. Not saying I agree I just think that has alot to do with it.

I completely dissagree here goou. I think we are ready for a woman POTUS. Clinton was just the WRONG woman at the WRONG time. The right woman would have made this the RIGHT time.

What?! You think there was a "right time" for hillary as potus?

There is no right time for someone with her cred.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Deny Arrogance

even then Trump only reffered to criminal and terrorists segments as being criminals and terrorists, not all mexicans or muslims.

His proposed ban was for all muslims. No muslims would be allowed entry. A "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the States" as Trump said. Until we can figure out "what the hell is going on". This is a guilty until proven innocent mentality applied to all muslims.

Apparently that was removed from his website and he's now working on a 'registration system' for Muslims.

TEMPORARILY UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO DISTINGUISH THE GOOD FROM THE BAD.

a reply to: openminded2011

I said this yesterday, too: Link

a reply to: GodEmperor

Many news sites reported it. I didn't realize it was a site issue though. At least, that's what the campaign said. So allegedly it wasn't removed intentionally but apparently the link was causing a redirect.

In a statement, the Trump campaign told CBS News the site “was temporarily redirecting all specific press release pages to the homepage. It is currently being addressed and will be fixed shortly.” link

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

TEMPORARILY UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO DISTINGUISH THE GOOD FROM THE BAD.

Why are you yelling?

Right? Until being the operative word. You claimed he was only targeting specific muslims, and that was not the case, as I showed (and GodEmperor just showed). Regardless of when that ban was lifted, or when the muslims were given the clear, doesn't negate the ban would be applied to all muslims.