Authorities to build up at Standing Rock for Friday federal ruling; National Guard is an option

originally posted by: misskat1
Im also part Native, and this is very close to my heart. Thank you for keeping us posted. This Gathering of First Nation People is causing them to organize, and this is going to blow up in the Govts face. If I wasnt taking care of my 90 yr old mom with dementia, I would be there.

If anyone is interested in supporting the Natives here is a link to what they need: sacredstonecamp.org...

Thanks for that list Misskat. Someone was just asking me if there was a place, a registry of sorts, where one can donate items. Thanks again.

if you were for the rights during the Bundy standoff, you have to be for the Tribes rights as well. I don't know the whole story of this though. Does that Tribe control all the land on the pipeline or is a bottleneck?

a reply to: Caver78

Excellent reply

I'm surprised it took a whole week....

anonhq.com...

anonhq.com/breaking-exposed-online-community-leaks-identity-dakota-pipeline-dog-attackers/

I expected to see a few pipeline supporters bad mouthing (even threatening) the Native Americans in this thread like they did in another. There is still a lot of hate, or at the very least disrespect, for the Native Americans and their rights. I used to be involved in a local Title IV program in my youth and on a number of outings I've experienced the racial comments first hand. I was pretty shocked at that back then, but after all these years it still surprises me.

The thing is it could be any group or individuals that get this treatment from the government and their corporate benefactors. You are screwed no matter who you are when you might stand in the way of what they want. You have nothing that can't be taken away from you, rights included, your very life even. We should all support the Natives as well as anyone else who gets beat down and silenced by TPTB as we are all truly in this together in spite of how they try to divide us.

a reply to: Rezlooper

It would be good to see the American populace stand behind these Natives in solidarity but i have little hope as everyone is out for themselves these days and be damned with what is the greater good for all.....i suppose we will hear incessant whinging in good time...for those whom get attacked next by the benevolent guberment ...

Anyhow cheers for posting....we would hear nothing of this where i live if it were not for people like you putting it out there

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I expected to see a few pipeline supporters bad mouthing (even threatening) the Native Americans in this thread like they did in another. There is still a lot of hate, or at the very least disrespect, for the Native Americans and their rights. I used to be involved in a local Title IV program in my youth and on a number of outings I've experienced the racial comments first hand. I was pretty shocked at that back then, but after all these years it still surprises me.

The thing is it could be any group or individuals that get this treatment from the government and their corporate benefactors. You are screwed no matter who you are when you might stand in the way of what they want. You have nothing that can't be taken away from you, rights included, your very life even. We should all support the Natives as well as anyone else who gets beat down and silenced by TPTB as we are all truly in this together in spite of how they try to divide us.

Thanks for that response Michigan. You are correct, this is much bigger now than a protest of a few Natives, it's about common folks standing up for what they believe in against big corporations and their greed. You're right about it not mattering who you are... these people have run over anyone who is in their way and it goes unnoticed. Look how hard the media tried to keep this issue silent, but it just grew well beyond their control.

a reply to: Caver78

That's a whole lot of skirting around my question without answering. It's typical though. Ok. When a nation is defeated, at what point do we finally admit one side lost? The Anglos won the invasion. The natives lost. It's harsh, I know, but it's the obvious truth. I mean, we're not going to be giving Texas back to Mexico anytime soon, are we?
And no, I'm not a big oil apologist. I'd prefer the rightful land owners get paid properly whoever is claimant to the land, for the recourses procured from the land. My question was about historical accuracies during invasions and nations being conquered.

originally posted by: rollanotherone
a reply to: Caver78

That's a whole lot of skirting around my question without answering. It's typical though. Ok. When a nation is defeated, at what point do we finally admit one side lost? The Anglos won the invasion. The natives lost. It's harsh, I know, but it's the obvious truth. I mean, we're not going to be giving Texas back to Mexico anytime soon, are we?
And no, I'm not a big oil apologist. I'd prefer the rightful land owners get paid properly whoever is claimant to the land, for the recourses procured from the land. My question was about historical accuracies during invasions and nations being conquered.

No one is denying the Native nations got the fuzzy end of the lollipop.
However some losses were to be compensated either with cash payments or alternative tracts of land ceded to them.
In what conquest are the victims paid for losing?
NONE.
So the simple answer is that unlike the Texas/Mexican war, while Native Americans have been dealt with harshly, they technically haven't lost either. The Conflict actually never stopped.

This Conflict isn't about them winning OR losing North America tho....
It's about this. PLUS!
The plus being originally the pipeline was to be routed north of Bismarck and "special interests" threw such a nutty it was re-routed further south just north of the Standing Rock Reservation, cause who cares if their drinking water, or that of everyone else downstream gets jacked up when the pipeline leaks.

Your question actually is a matter of " historical recording" which is a non-issue in current day events.
I'll go a little further and mention it also smacks of "privilege" as conquered, or non-conquered isn't relevant in
societal/socialeconomic adjudication/enforcement of existing treaty rights.The US has lapsed in fullfillment of these contracts/treaties with multiple Nations plain and simple.

Part of these existing Treaty rights include input and consultation regarding ANY archeological finds on lands under consideration for development. Due to the abbreviated permitting process chosen this did not occur.

bismarcktribune.com... 06e.html

Tribal leaders and groups have been staging protests over the pipeline for more than a month, citing concerns over potential contamination of the Missouri River if the pipeline were to rupture. The issue of cultural sites has also loomed large.

Hope I answered your question this time?

I know this isnt exactly on topic, but I found this article about who is benefiting from the pipeline very interesting.

www.commondreams.org...

I have an acre of land, and it borders a street. If the street had to be widened I would understand imminent domain. But, if PGE decided to claim imminent domain, and put an oil pipeline down the middle of it, I would be livid.

So why is this any different? With or without burials, everyone should have a right to say no to their lives being impacted by private companies bull dozing a scar through their property, not to mention, the very real possibility they will be exposed to a highly toxic product. This pipe line will eventually leak.

This is their territory. It isnt US Territory. The US gave up their rights to the property years ago, and we all want our property rights respected. And the Natives should have that same right. Would anyone really question the viability of this treaty? Was it on the condition they could live there until the US wanted it back? No.

But all things happen for a reason. To see this kinda Native Gathering, is a historical milestone it makes the whole ordeal worth the fight.

a reply to: misskat1

It's very much on topic, in every argument it's logical to "follow the money" to get to the truth.

a reply to: Caver78

Not sure if it answers my question but it does raise some awareness for me. Thank you for that.

a reply to: rollanotherone

Sorry I misunderstood!
Tried tho....

More unfortunate news.
Seems one of the provocateurs at the dog attack is a mercenary who works for Torchlight. For all you conspiracy minded folks this should be a HUGE red flag. Very sorry I can't copy from the article, not sure why?
PLEASE read!!!

bsnorrell.blogspot.com...

a reply to: Caver78


How can they possibly deny this!?!

Thank you Cav! Great find. I had to work "around" to get these screen grabs

a reply to: Martin75

Oh Goodness THANK YOU!!!
I usually never have any problems adding text or pics, but it appeared to be blocked from copying?
Anyhoo....KUDOS!!!

This info was so startling and not reported anywhere yet. I have looked at TPTB provocateurs with a bit of a skeptical eye, but now I'm convinced. I'm dismayed at the lengths gone to, to try to make the peaceful protestors look bad.

Things are starting to unravel for oil companies and others involved.
FINALLY!!!

a reply to: Caver78

How exactly did they make the peaceful protesters look bad? Wouldn't they have to plant someone in the group of protesters rather than the security to do that?

a reply to: VP740

If you read any of the thread ,they dug up grave sites so the protestors really had no choice but to jump the fence to stop the bulldozers despite it being a federal crime to NOT stop once human remains were found.

The mercy's were waiting for them on the other side of the fence.

a reply to: Caver78

So, they didn't make the protesters look bad?


When I asked how they made the protesters look bad, you said the company (the security companies?) made the protesters look bad by breaking the law and desecrating their burial grounds. Something is off here.

There's a link posted here which says the protesters were attacked by security, but it has a video showing the protesters attacking instead (bringing their children with them as they cross a fence and begin fighting). And when asked why they are there, no mention is made of burial grounds.

The contradictions between what I hear and what I see in the video are making me very uneasy about this. When were remains found? By who? Who owns the area on the side of the fence they were digging in (legally)? Was it taken recently through imminent domain?