Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton Attacking ‘Millions of Decent Americans’ with Racism Charge

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Really your back at attacking my god awful grammar. I started learning to write in english just a few years back. You have already pointed this out, but you still fell the need to reply to some of my post, meaning you clearly understand what i am trying to say.

I wish my grammar was as good as yours seriously, but i wouldn't use it to double talk all the time, oh sorry there duke thats not what i meant lol.

Hey but thanks for reminding me my grammar sucks.

I do it because I know it triggers you there bud. I know you can handle it.

Lol it triggers me, thats good to know, hey thanks to you i have learned something new today

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

What has logic done to you people that you insist on just beating it over and over?

Let's start with one of your basic premises.

"Since majority of blacks voted for Obama based on race"

Please prove that before we move on.

Look at the numbers:
ropercenter.cornell.edu...

Nope, no racial bias to be found there. None at all! Never mind the Dem's framing everything around race the whole reason they tend to have minorities in their general voter bloc, even though they don't care any more about them than anybody else (people are just "human capitol" to the DNC).

I guess African Americans voted for Al Gore by 90%....because Gore's black????
ropercenter.cornell.edu...

Or Kerry?
ropercenter.cornell.edu...


African American's vote Democratic, and that's what they did with Obama.

But you claimed that African American's voted for Obama because he is black, and that African American voters are racist....please prove your point.

Your "numbers" don't prove a thing, because they voted for white men in similar percentages.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5

I am pretty sure that Trumps words are in fact a reflection of HIS own thoughts...and if not then you have a taller mountain to surmount in defending him than the racism charge.

Put another way..if your defense of Trump is premised on everything that comes out of his mouth is a meaningless collage of words like a verbal Rorschach test for the listener to project upon..then I am not sure I would entirely disagree with you, but would argue a man only capable of provocative word-vomit might not be a good choice for President.

Of course they are a reflection of his thoughts. He is the one speaking them. But the meaning you give them, that they are racist, are a product of your own subjectivity instead of anything objective. That's what I'm saying.

The meanings I assign Trump's words are commonly found in Websters...not "subjective".

But I do follow the obvious defense you are employing...in as much as it is no longer socially acceptable to use the N-Word, both racists and critics are left to divine his full meaning.. True for Trump and true for all racists of our time. It's unsophisticated, but still racially-coded language.

Sidenote:

Did you know Woodie Guthrie, the famous Songwriter of "This Land is Your Land" once wrote a song about Trump's father 60 years ago, when Donnie was 10?

“He thought that Fred Trump was one who stirs up racial hate, and implicitly profits from it,” the scholar, Will Kaufman, a professor of American literature and culture at the University of Central Lancashire in Britain, said in an interview.

[The Lyrics]
I suppose
Old Man Trump knows
Just how much
Racial Hate
he stirred up
In the bloodpot of human hearts
When he drawed
That color line
Here at his
Eighteen hundred family project

www.nytimes.com...

Apple falling from the tree and history repeating itself and all of that...

Life can be funny in not funny ways..

Hillary Clinton talks about HER father in her memoirs Living History..
Here is a NY Times article about it:

Mrs. Clinton has made the struggles of her mother, Dorothy Rodham, a central part of her 2016 campaign’s message, and has repeatedly described Mrs. Rodham’s life story to crowds around the country. But her father, whom Mrs. Clinton rarely talks about publicly, exerted an equally powerful, if sometimes bruising, influence on the woman who wants to become the first female president. The brusque son of an English immigrant and a coal miner’s daughter in Scranton, Pa., Mr. Rodham, for most of his life, harbored prejudices against blacks, Catholics and anyone else not like him. He hurled biting sarcasm at his wife and his only daughter and spanked, at times excessively, his three children to keep them in line, according to interviews with friends and a review of documents, Mrs. Clinton’s writings and former President Bill Clinton’s memoir.

Interesting eh?

www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: kruphix

I'm not trying to defend Trump. If I were then when someone else turned it around to try and show KKK support for Hillary I wouldn't have then said, even if I still need to know which policies it is exactly they support and why.

Though why is actually a lesser point as two different people can support the same thing for different reasons.

For example a person may be against immigration because they fear for their jobs and the effect on the economy as well as enforcing the laws of our country, while another might support it because "to hell with them dirty gringo mother #ers."

So the policy is supported by two people one with a more reasoned argument and another bigotry.

If Trump say has his policy for the first persons reasons, but someone else supports it for the second reason. How is that Trumps fault or responsibility? Same with is some Black Panther supports some of Hillary's policies because of "# Whitey!!!" even if they aren't there for that purpose.

So why they support him isn't that important, unless you can prove that their WHY and Trumps WHY is the same. If you can't then the KKK being biggest is irrelevant to what policies they support.

Which makes policy actually matter. Which policies do they support? Are these policies inherently bigoted? Or are they simply policies that correlate with some of the goals of these groups?

I'm sure there's a lot the KKK agree with that many do who aren't members. I'd guess gun rights are likely one for example. Freedom of Speech is another as it's what allows them to exist. Are you against the 1st or 2nd amendments?

a reply to: Puppylove

I think the insinuation is that racists can only vote for a candidate to advance their racism, and not for, say, to improve the economy or to improve infrastructure. It's absurd.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

I don't care "how it looked" to you ... though you would have benefited from the hint I dropped regarding a specious argument.

You still attempted to make a ridiculous conclusion AFTER I clarified the obvious for you. That's on YOU.

Again, the topic here is what others (Klan members and White Supremacists) have said about Trump, not about his actual or supposed racism or what you think we think he thinks.

Your attempt at a clever segue has failed, utterly.

Stop digging.

Even Trump's apologies are better than that.
I look forward to you accepting Trump's clarifications in the future, and of course accepting it's on you if anything offends you.

He has already disavowed the KKK by the way, so I guess any association is bogus and we can all agree to condemn Hillary's ad. In other words Trump was right to admonish her.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

I don't care "how it looked" to you ... though you would have benefited from the hint I dropped regarding a specious argument.

You still attempted to make a ridiculous conclusion AFTER I clarified the obvious for you. That's on YOU.

Again, the topic here is what others (Klan members and White Supremacists) have said about Trump, not about his actual or supposed racism or what you think we think he thinks.

Your attempt at a clever segue has failed, utterly.

Stop digging.

Even Trump's apologies are better than that.
I look forward to you accepting Trump's clarifications in the future, and of course accepting it's on you if anything offends you.

Nobody here got offended, well maybe you and a few trump fans, so we got deflections, Hillary eats puppies for breakfast, fake outrage, cute memes, trump is misunderstood, the media made trump say it, just another day on ats.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Anon, yeah sure....
come election time those lopsided numbers will look like that

originally posted by: matafuchs

Trump still has not made a racist statement once this campaign...not once.

You mean, like his famous "Mexicans are rapists and criminals" remark? And his slurs against Jeb Bush's wife? His remarks about the Hispanic judge?
Here's nine remarks he made about Hispanics (who are Americans and who are counted as a race.)

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

I don't care "how it looked" to you ... though you would have benefited from the hint I dropped regarding a specious argument.

You still attempted to make a ridiculous conclusion AFTER I clarified the obvious for you. That's on YOU.

Again, the topic here is what others (Klan members and White Supremacists) have said about Trump, not about his actual or supposed racism or what you think we think he thinks.

Your attempt at a clever segue has failed, utterly.

Stop digging.

Even Trump's apologies are better than that.
I look forward to you accepting Trump's clarifications in the future, and of course accepting it's on you if anything offends you.

Nobody here got offended, well maybe you and a few trump fans, so we got deflections, Hillary eats puppies for breakfast, fake outrage, cute memes, trump is misunderstood, the media made trump say it, just another day on ats.

Thanks for speaking for everyone, including me, LOL.
Personally I think it was quite offensive to intimate all Trump voters were white supremacists... but fortunately it's been clarified and I accept the clarification.

a reply to: Byrd

You mean, like his famous "Mexicans are rapists and criminals" remark? And his slurs against Jeb Bush's wife? His remarks about the Hispanic judge?

Which race is Mexican?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Puppylove

I think the insinuation is that racists can only vote for a candidate to advance their racism, and not for, say, to improve the economy or to improve infrastructure. It's absurd.

Kudos to you and puppylove! It is amazing how many don't realize that no matter what label or stereo-typing that is applied to groups, they are all individuals with families and striving to live to their fullest potential. Their individual perceptions will find that they will agree with at least some of the platforms of every candidate. They will all be just as frustrated with their options as everyone else and have to narrow their choice down to one!

Like i said earlier, all trump had to do is to call out hillary and say prove that i am a bigot, he would have won that easily.

But he had to open is mouth, and is fans are running again like chickens whit there heads cut off to a) defend what he said

b) tell us the media made it up 3) my favorite is they just ran with it, no facts no clue, just kept on repeating it.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

I don't care "how it looked" to you ... though you would have benefited from the hint I dropped regarding a specious argument.

You still attempted to make a ridiculous conclusion AFTER I clarified the obvious for you. That's on YOU.

Again, the topic here is what others (Klan members and White Supremacists) have said about Trump, not about his actual or supposed racism or what you think we think he thinks.

Your attempt at a clever segue has failed, utterly.

Stop digging.

Even Trump's apologies are better than that.
I look forward to you accepting Trump's clarifications in the future, and of course accepting it's on you if anything offends you.

Nobody here got offended, well maybe you and a few trump fans, so we got deflections, Hillary eats puppies for breakfast, fake outrage, cute memes, trump is misunderstood, the media made trump say it, just another day on ats.

Thanks for speaking for everyone, including me, LOL.
Personally I think it was quite offensive to intimate all Trump voters were white supremacists... but fortunately it's been clarified and I accept the clarification.

There you go, you arent offended anymore, that must feel a whole lot better.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: matafuchs

Trump still has not made a racist statement once this campaign...not once.

You mean, like his famous "Mexicans are rapists and criminals" remark? And his slurs against Jeb Bush's wife? His remarks about the Hispanic judge?
Here's nine remarks he made about Hispanics (who are Americans and who are counted as a race.)

No, nothing racist.
They can be if you want them to be though.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Byrd

You mean, like his famous "Mexicans are rapists and criminals" remark? And his slurs against Jeb Bush's wife? His remarks about the Hispanic judge?

Which race is Mexican?

There you go, LEs said its ok to call mexicans rapist because mexicans arent a race, we have a winner.

But i bet ya he didint mean it that way, he is so mysterious.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

I don't care "how it looked" to you ... though you would have benefited from the hint I dropped regarding a specious argument.

You still attempted to make a ridiculous conclusion AFTER I clarified the obvious for you. That's on YOU.

Again, the topic here is what others (Klan members and White Supremacists) have said about Trump, not about his actual or supposed racism or what you think we think he thinks.

Your attempt at a clever segue has failed, utterly.

Stop digging.

Even Trump's apologies are better than that.
I look forward to you accepting Trump's clarifications in the future, and of course accepting it's on you if anything offends you.

Nobody here got offended, well maybe you and a few trump fans, so we got deflections, Hillary eats puppies for breakfast, fake outrage, cute memes, trump is misunderstood, the media made trump say it, just another day on ats.

Thanks for speaking for everyone, including me, LOL.
Personally I think it was quite offensive to intimate all Trump voters were white supremacists... but fortunately it's been clarified and I accept the clarification.

There you go, you arent offended anymore, that must feel a whole lot better.

I think when someone clarifies what they meant, it's only fair to not hold a grudge against them, don;t you think?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Byrd

You mean, like his famous "Mexicans are rapists and criminals" remark? And his slurs against Jeb Bush's wife? His remarks about the Hispanic judge?

Which race is Mexican?

Oh, trying to use a technicality....nice.

Always refreshing to see that...usually means they have nothing else.

I assume you are suggesting that for something to be "racist" it has to be specifically about a distinct race...and not ethnicity or color....correct?

Do I win?

a reply to: UKTruth

have one on me

a reply to: kruphix

Like I said, the progressive game of pushing race arguments (racism) has long been standing.

When I see a black "card carrying republican" I know vote Obama, there's a story there. (note I'm not republican, he always assumed I was a liberal because I was anti-Neocon, and later was all proud to me that he voted Obama assuming I was an Obama / Democrat supporter)

When the same week Obama was "elected" I had a black person blatantly cut in line at a 711, and snap her fingers while saying "Obama, Obama, Obama", and the black cashier letting them get away with it, yeah that was racism.

The general "black power" sort of attitude common in the black community, that's racism.

Attacking whites for appreciating their own culture, by blacks or anybody else (including whites), that's racism.

When in a forum the same people tend to show up in any thread that has anything to do with racism, the BLM, and so on, whom come in and label everyone that doesn't agree with them as racists, whom troll 'every single' such thread beyond comprehension, that's racism.

For anyone to label anyone they dont like, anyone that disagrees with them as being "racists" (whether they do in subtly or overtly), that's racism.

For anyone to base rights on what group / skin color they happen to be, instead of as individuals, that's racism.

Saying Black Lives Matter, but smear anyone else who plays on the same words stating things like 'ALL lives matter", that's racism.

Naming a protest group based on race, such as BLACK, that's racism.



Having TV channels and such that are specific to race (such as BET), that's racism.

Not listening to any music other than the categories that are self-race specific (such as Rap), that's racism.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.