Citing MSM bias, Pro Trump Breitbart begins own polling

a reply to: Delts95

Shill huh? You know you can get banned calling me a shill right? Should I report you? Maybe ill capture your post before you edit it huh?

originally posted by: Delts95
a reply to: Sillyolme

Right now as his numbers continue to fall the world breathes a sigh of relief. You have to know that. No one wants him to be president.

Thanks for the most blatant shill I have ever read lol. I am pretty sure there is quite a few people that feel the same way about probably the most corrupt person we know of ever running for president. I can't speak for a lot of the Trump blow hards and the fact that he is a toxic candidate no doubt, but in my opinion this contest to me is a battle between who is less toxic. The blinders must be on full bore for anyone not to believe that Hillary is more toxic. Yet I get the unabashed pounding that Hillary must be the choice in the Democratic mindset. As the Democrats are over looking her corruptness and at the party ideals/unity instead.

There got it.

a reply to: Sillyolme

I am not allowed my opinion I see. But it is okay for you to ramble on about how the world let me stress "the world is relieved". You nor I shouldn't speak for anyone but ourselves in our own opinions. We disagree its apart of life you hold your ideals, I will hold mine.

Ban me. The world still will go on.

So not to distract from the whose a shill or not argument followed by a blatant attempt at deplatforming, but does anyone know how pollsters account for folks who either have never voted or haven't voted in years re-entering the voting pool? It obviously happened in the GOP primary, and has the potential too on the otherside against Trump as well.

a reply to: MrSpad

In 2012 I stood for hours in a chilly rain to vote even though I knew Obama was a shoe in and I probably could have stayed home. I wouldn't pass up my responsibility to vote any more than go out naked.
Win or lose my voice is always included.

a reply to: LifeMode

Here's the thing though. Yes she was down at the beginning of July due to the DNC emails and the FBIs conclusion of their investigation. Then they had the conventions and everybody got a bump.
But Hillary's lowest point was 44 while Trumps highest post convention bump was only 46. Two points separate her lowest numbers from his highest.
You are clearly not voting for her but also just as clear many many people are.

a reply to: Delts95

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. You're just not allowed to call members a shill or troll. The mods take care of those.
And you should know I'm not a shill. I'm a card carrying democrat. I support Hillary Clinton for president because I know she's the very best person for the job.
You don't need to insult me because you don't agree with me. Tell me why your choice is better. Give me information.
Don't tell me I don't count and don't tell me my opinion doesn't matter. And certainly don't tell me my vote is for sale.

originally posted by: jefwane
So not to distract from the whose a shill or not argument followed by a blatant attempt at deplatforming, but does anyone know how pollsters account for folks who either have never voted or haven't voted in years re-entering the voting pool? It obviously happened in the GOP primary, and has the potential too on the otherside against Trump as well.

There was a surge a new young democrats too. The millennials that voted for Bernie Sanders.
Those figures were on a poll I saw mentioned last night of voters under 35 years.
It's something like a 30 point spread for Hillary. Like 57 to 27.

But this was expected. Hopefully these young people will get out and vote come November. If there's a group that's a risk it's them thinking she's got it in the bag I won't bother to vote. No one can be complacent.
I think all Americans over 18 should vote. Boy wouldn't that make a big difference.

originally posted by: jefwane
The turnout to the GOP primary from a steady 21 millionish the past two cycles to over 29 million this year, is pretty impressive..

But also take into account that Trump did not actually win the majority of those votes. The majority of those who voted in the Republican primaries voted against Trump. So at least some of that turnout could have been people who might not have otherwise participated but were motivated to vote against him.

It's absolutely possible I live in a bubble, but the conversations I'm having with strangers and long time friends of different political persuasions do not match the polls I'm seeing.I have several 20 year plus friends from my Army days that are from the mid-Atlantic, New England, and Northeast who are largely trade union members who've voted entirely Democrat their adult lives all supporting Trump, the one Army buddy who is not was pro socialism even back then. I know blue collar and small business owner black folks who are voting for Trump. I got a cousin who married a 2nd generation Mexican-American from California who's voting Trump. The only people I know who are openly supporting Hillary are a few black women,some lifelong Democratic apparatchiks, and one ex GOP Independent Feminist who is the definition of political elite (has been married to a bank president and a doctor).
We took a vacation to the mountains last weekend and I sat around drinking beer at the pool while the kids played and after a few someone started talking politics. There were 5 families there. No body talked income, but you could tell by the cars everyone drove, the hotel we were staying in, and what they did for a living that we were somewhere in the middle class. Every man there was voting for Trump and only two of the women were not (including my wife), but the kicker is neither of the women had any intention for voting for Hillary. One was voting Stein and my wife is "Feeling the Johnson" this year. We were from Georgia, Tennessee, New York, and Ohio. I had a great conversation with a couple of gay guys who were Trump and Milo supporters when I went to the bar one night; they were from Ashville, NC. I know that this anecdotal evidence I'm seeing has no bearing on what results a scientifically produced poll is likely to say, but I also have zero trust in the media and the other organizations conducting the polls. It does not take a great stretch of the imagination to consider them possible of making up whatever the hell they want in order to promote a narrative.

originally posted by: jefwane
when I went to the bar one night;

Of course, you need to take into account that those not voting for Trump might not be inclined to jump into a pro-Trump discussion in a bar or any other public place considering the reputation (deserved or not) of Trump supporters.

originally posted by: jefwane
I know that this anecdotal evidence I'm seeing has no bearing on what results a scientifically produced poll is likely to say

Right. I haven't heard anyone in the large social circles I move in say they are voting for Trump. Obviously, that has something to do with who I know. And those who might support Trump might not say anything in those circumstances; for the same reason you might not be hearing anti-Trump sentiments.

Whatever. We'll see what happens in November.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

Of course, you need to take into account that those not voting for Trump might not be inclined to jump into a pro-Trump discussion in a bar or any other public place considering the reputation (deserved or not) of Trump supporters.


Right. I haven't heard anyone in the large social circles I move in say they are voting for Trump. Obviously, that has something to do with who I know. And those who might support Trump might not say anything in those circumstances; for the same reason you might not be hearing anti-Trump sentiments.

You mean like people avoiding putting Trump bumper stickers on their car to avoid being vandalized, or wanting to go to but not going to a rally because they fear being assaulted while local police stand down on orders from local Democratic politicians right?

I hope Trump wins, but really look at it as a victory regardless of the outcome. A GOP political dynasty defeated in a primary in shame; people talking about immigration and trade deals; Cuckservatives and Neocons so butthurt they show their true loyalties and contempt for the American people; Democrats having to hold their nose and vote for someone they don't even think is trustworthy; Conservatism being shown to be impotent when it comes to preserving a Nation or Constitution; Nationalism gearing up to fight against neoBabylonian Globalism around the world; political correctness and SJW becoming perjorative words; and the sheer terror you see and hear in the voices and faces of the establishment on both sides of the political spectrum in all three spheres of power:politics, media, and business. It's been a great year regardless of the outcome. I could be wrong and the Neocons and Cuckservatives will regain their dominance of the GOP, but I don't think so. Much like Merkel in Germany, Hillary is so convinced of her ideological and intellectual superiority that she will be unable to heal or even triage the things that are leading to the support Trump has. I'm not sure her husband, Obama, or Reagan, the three most charismatic Presidents in my lifetime, had the trust of those opposed to them and personal charisma necessary to heal the divisions in our nation.

A polling executive was interviewed on FOX News today.

The POLLSTERS have no more integrity than the mainstream media that hired them. They're blaming their poor accuracy on "The Comey Effect"... which caused last minute shifts in the minds of the populace.

YEAH RIGHT!