What Would You Give In Exchange For Your Soul?

a reply to: NOTurTypical

If He created it (your soul) then why doesn't it belong to Him.

Look at the verses you quoted. Jesus himself says our soul belongs to us, individually. Which means god relinquished ownership when you became an autonomous entity. Therefore, he seeks to buy it back. Why buy something you already own. Yes I understand what Paul was saying, and I understand it's an analogy. What I'm saying is, the analogy doesn't work for those who aren't part of the clique, and understand it already. The analogy is for Jews/Christians, not for unbelievers, who have nothing to relate it to. For you, it is easy and obvious. For the heathen, it is nonsense, until you make it contextual to his/her life.

In other words, it's a poor way to present the gospel, until you give the listener some background and context to go with it. imho.

a reply to: TzarChasm

I don't think that's how it works either. I think we all have went our own ways, I think we all have failed to live in according to perfection. I don't think anyone can tell God on judgment day, "move over, now there are two of us."

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

I agree, that's not how it works.

originally posted by: Scorpiogurl
I don't think about what my soul is worth to me. My soul is priceless to God and I wouldn't exchange it for anything.

Exactly.

To Jesus my soul is priceless.

To the enemy my soul is worthless.

I will stay on the priceless side regardless of ANYTHING that could be obtained on this temporary earth.

And yes, I would give my life to stay on the priceless side. In a second.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Correct, perfection is unattainable. So what was Jesus trying to teach in His statement about being perfect because the heavenly Father is perfect?

"There us a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is the way of death."

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: TzarChasm

I don't think that's how it works either. I think we all have went our own ways, I think we all have failed to live in according to perfection. I don't think anyone can tell God on judgment day, "move over, now there are two of us."

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

I agree, that's not how it works.

I would rather there be no gods than two gods. Then we could just be the best that we can instead of punishing ourselves for not being superhuman. Because that's just dumb.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: TzarChasm

Correct, perfection is unattainable. So what was Jesus trying to teach in His statement about being perfect because the heavenly Father is perfect?

"There us a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is the way of death."

Everything dies. Being insecure about that will not change it.

a reply to: Klassified

Jesus isn't teaching that God buys it back and you lose control of it, because Jesus already taught what eternal life is. Fellowship with God for eternity, that's what He said is "life". So in essence here, Jesus is asking what the eternal profit is it for a man to gain everything the world has to offer (in this vapor of life we enjoy on Earth) yet lose our own soul? (Eternal fellowship with God)

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
If He created it (your soul) then why doesn't it belong to Him. Is the clay pot responsible for fashioning himself, or is he the product of the Potter at the wheel? For what purpose did God create you?

The "soul" it metaphorically the "breath of God", the only way it can belong to him, or it can be reclaimed is through an "inhale". The "clay pot" isn't the soul, it's the body.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: windword

"Pick up your cross and follow me" is a metaphor, what message if Jesus trying to convey? What happenshould at a literal cross? What is the spiritual application is Christ trying to convey?

I have my own personal knowledge of the symbolism of the cross. I'm asking you. What did JESUS mean, do you think, when he referred to the symbolism of the cross, there? Do you think he was referring to a Roman torture device, or do you think maybe the ancient spiritual symbolism of the cross, that was being referred to, might just have some meaning other than that of a suicidal death march?

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Klassified

Jesus isn't teaching that God buys it back and you lose control of it, because Jesus already taught what eternal life is. Fellowship with God for eternity, that's what He said is "life". So in essence here, Jesus is asking what the eternal profit is it for a man to gain everything the world has to offer (in this vapor of life we enjoy on Earth) yet lose our own soul? (Eternal fellowship with God)

The narcissists ultimate paradise, an entire world dedicated to informing him endlessly of how awesome he is and how he has no equal. It seems the question was never how much our souls are worth to us, but how much they are worth to him. And since our souls are merely pawns on a chessboard, your soul value rhymes with such reassuring adjectives as "expendable" and "disposable".

a reply to: stosh64

Outstanding perception.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Well...I hope so, of course i have been a little bad, i hope God can look through that and accept me anyway.

I see my bad side as mistakes, learning trough the physical life, not deliberate bad, if God accept mistakes i should be good and enter his kingdom in the form of my soul and enjoy a eternal life.

On what basis can He accept us all who come to Him? I mean, if He is holy and righteous, on what basis can He declare us righteous without sacrificing His perfect standards?

By seeking forgiveness by repentance through Jesus, He was the perfect sacrifice for our sins, He is the only way to the Father.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Hardly, if God was a narcissist he wouldn't desire an eternity with man, He would be fully content with Himself for eternity.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: TzarChasm

Hardly, if God was a narcissist he wouldn't desire an eternity with man, He would be fully content with Himself for eternity.

But what's more fun than admiring yourself forever? Getting a whole planet full of people to do it for you. That's how narcissism works.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

Basically, man made the choice to walk away from God, God provided a way back to Him, we have to simply CHOOSE the path back to Him.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Klassified

Jesus isn't teaching that God buys it back and you lose control of it, because Jesus already taught what eternal life is. Fellowship with God for eternity, that's what He said is "life". So in essence here, Jesus is asking what the eternal profit is it for a man to gain everything the world has to offer (in this vapor of life we enjoy on Earth) yet lose our own soul? (Eternal fellowship with God)

I understand that NuT. I was trying to give you a little perspective from those who cannot see what you're saying, because they don't have your background. Christians, and indeed anyone well educated in any subject, begin assuming what is obvious to them, is also obvious to everyone else. It isn't. Not at all. "It's simple though. Don't you see it?" No they don't. I hate to say it, but "dumb it down". Way down.

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Basically, man made the choice to walk away from God, God provided a way back to Him, we have to simply CHOOSE the path back to Him.

See how easy that was?

a reply to: windword

My opinion, as I could be wrong here, but what Jesus meant by us picking up our cross daily means to die to self, to stop living for ourselves and live for God.

To complete the two great commandments Jesus gave, to love God and to love other people as we would love ourselves. Basically self sacrifice to help others even if we get nothing in return.

That's how I understand what He was saying about picking up my cross and following Him.

a reply to: Klassified

I'm not trying to preach, I'm just trying to get people to stop, consider and meditate on what Jesus was trying to convey in the passage. Telling someone what they need to know is an inferior way to teach.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: windword

My opinion, as I could be wrong here, but what Jesus meant by us picking up our cross daily means to die to self, to stop living for ourselves and live for God.

To complete the two great commandments Jesus gave, to love God and to love other people as we would love ourselves. Basically self sacrifice to help others even if we get nothing in return.

That's how I understand what He was saying about picking up my cross and following Him.

You forgot the third great commandment - love of god always comes before love of your fellow man. Let's not lose track of priorities here. If god commands that you slay your kin, your first question should be "how many?"

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Klassified

I'm not trying to preach, I'm just trying to get people to stop, consider and meditate on what Jesus was trying to convey in the passage. Telling someone what they need to know is an inferior way to teach.

As you wish. Just sayin...

Carry on.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Narcis was perfectly content with his own reflection, he was totally unaware of anything else but himself. That's the picture of Satan, not God. God gave everything up for us. Nothing like narcissism.