The Orlando sacirifce in preparation for the BRexit vote

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

Math is a language of it's own.

Yes it is but your mind understands and comprehends the complexities of that language through geometry.

Notice how in the same post you call me ignorant for stating that in order to have math we must have language and then in the next sentence you claim that math is it's own language.

What's the difference or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?

a reply to: onequestion

Yes it is but your mind understands and comprehends the complexities of that language through geometry.

Geometry is one branch of mathematics.
And it does not involve adding up digits.

a reply to: Phage

You not making a coherent point with that statement.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

Wonderful.

I'm in America where we use fractions to build things.

There's a big big world outside of the US. A lot of them don't use fractions. That makes your point moot, unless numerology only works in the US?

In America we USE math to build things.

I should hope so. Using French would make the house look terrible.

We creatively come up with an idea, communicate that idea through a system of numbers and words and then use more words and math to literally bend the material world around us to conform to our will.

That's not "bending the material world". It's called design and construction.

That is the definition of magick.

I'll have to check with the wizards of discworld, but I'm pretty sure that building houses isn't any type of "magick".

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Phage

You not making a coherent point with that statement.

On the contrary. Me am.

The basis of numerology is the adding of digits (in base 10, in particular). Geometry does not add digits, nor does any other branch of mathematics.

12 is not 1+2. In base 10 or any other.

Numerology is nonsense.

a reply to: onequestion

Actually, most engineers here in the US use physics when it comes to designing things......and they do not use fractions, except for ratios.

They use the metric system.

Tom The Builder does use a tape measure for building a house, but he engineering of said house (unless it was something just slapped together) didn't.

Fractions are simply an easier way to express a number.

For example, 1/6 is much easier to express than 0.166666666666666 (repeating forever).

Even in places that use the metric system still say "A half a kilogram" they don't say "Zero point 5 kilograms" when asking for some meat.

a reply to: Phage

Wait are you trying to tell me that adding digits isn't math?

Words are shapes, shapes are geomtery.

EVERYTHING is a shape, therefor EVERYTHING is math or geometry.

It's the basis of almost every one of the deepest and oldest esoteric philosophies in the world.

The beginning of math.

Does that disgust you?

That geometry and building (masonry) were the basis and foundation for esoteric philosophy and the creation of math as a system of manipulation and magick?

It's so funny how hand in hand they are.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

People who build houses in the US use fractions on their measuring tape every single day I know I used to build things.

Deny reality should be the new ATS motto.

Fractions metric system it doesn't matter.

Math is used as a tool of creation/ manipulation and is used in conformity with the will of the user using the math to create the things.

It's undeniable.

Come back to reality.

a reply to: TerryDon79

My point is not moot my point was that we use math (fractions) to build things.

That remains true regardless of anything any of the 3 of you have said.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

My point is not moot my point was that we use math (fractions) to build things.

That remains true regardless of anything any of the 3 of you have said.

Unless fractions aren't being used to build a house.

Also, if this is about geometry of words to get random numbers. Why is "freemasonic" assigned a 54 AND a 63? Surely the geometry would be the same?

a reply to: onequestion

Wait are you trying to tell me that adding digits isn't math?

Oh, it is addition. But it has nothing to do with any mathematics.

Words are shapes, shapes are geomtery.

What shape is "me?" You have it backwards, shapes are not geometry. Geometry describes shapes.

EVERYTHING is a shape, therefor EVERYTHING is math or geometry.

Math and geometry are tools. That's it.

Does that disgust you?

That geometry and building (masonry) were the basis and foundation for esoteric philosophy and the creation of math as a system of manipulation and magick?

No, it doesn't disgust me. Ignorance doesn't disgust me. It does disappoint me though. Superstition disappoints me.

a reply to: onequestion

You insist that we have to have language to have numbers.

Not true.

We use numbers to understand systems that already exist.

Pi existed well before the sun and Earth even formed.

We (humans) use markings to express it is all.

Some other form of life may express it differently than we do.

However: it doesn't change the fact that Pi existed well before even the first stars formed.

Peter speaks english, Ivan speaks russian.

Peter drops 3 sticks on the ground, Ivan drops 2 more sticks on the ground. Both understand that there are now 5 sticks on the ground.

Significance? None........other than there are now 5 sticks on the ground where there were none before.

By the way: geometry is a branch of math....and it's use to to describe structure, space and shapes.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

My point is not moot my point was that we use math (fractions) to build things.

That remains true regardless of anything any of the 3 of you have said.

And you turn 5 3/8" into 16? Nice house.

www.cymatics.org...

I wonder what happens when we assign a value to a sound?????

Interesting how sound is manipulated by a number isn't it?

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

My point is not moot my point was that we use math (fractions) to build things.

That remains true regardless of anything any of the 3 of you have said.

And you turn 5 3/8" into 16? Nice house.

Is that english?

a reply to: onequestion

Interesting how sound is manipulated by a number isn't it?

Yup. Yell "Six!" and you are manipulating sound.
Of course you could yell "Meeble!" and you would also do so.

originally posted by: onequestion

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

My point is not moot my point was that we use math (fractions) to build things.

That remains true regardless of anything any of the 3 of you have said.

And you turn 5 3/8" into 16? Nice house.

Is that english?

No. It's numerology. Adding digits.

5+3+8=16

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

You insist that we have to have language to have numbers.

You said that numbers are a language.

How can you understand that language without oh I don't know.... words?

1 is a word. One.

How can I possibly understand the number 1 without the word 1?

They are intrinsic it is undeniable they go hand and hand. You cannot have one without the other.

The word itself is math it is a shape it is geometry, our mind works on geometry on words on math.

Facts.

I don't have time to repeat myself anymore.

Goodbye.