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By marina starleaf riker, associated press
HONOLULU — May 24, 2016, 6:42 AM ET
Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.
Most people entered in the "Rap Back" database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in "positions of trust," such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.
"I don't like the idea of us being entered into a database. It basically tells us that they know where the guns are, they can go grab them" said Jerry Ilo, a firearm and hunting instructor for the state. "We get the feeling that Big Brother is watching us."
Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws. Allison Anderman, a staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the bill was "groundbreaking," and that she hadn't heard of other states introducing similar measures.
Sen. Will Espero, who introduced the bill, and the Honolulu Police Department said Hawaii could serve as a model for other states if it becomes the first to enact the law.
Yet others say gun owners shouldn't have to be entered in a database to practice a constitutional right.
"You're curtailing that right by requiring that a name be entered into a database without doing anything wrong," said Kenneth Lawson, faculty at the University of Hawaii's William S. Richardson School of Law.
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originally posted by: butcherguy
Isn't everyone already in a database?
No need for more than one database.
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Isn't everyone already in a database?
No need for more than one database.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: butcherguy
Isn't everyone already in a database?
No need for more than one database.
No, it is illegal for any government agency or any group to have a gun owner database. What they check is whether a person has a criminal past when they are trying to buy a gun, but Federal law does not allow for the registration, or keeping a list of gun owners. It's completely different.
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No such rule or regulation prescribed (by the Attorney General) after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
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originally posted by: introvert
If I am reading this correctly, this only applies to certain people that apply for jobs in which they work for government operations, facilities, or other occupations in which the applicant/employee comes in contact with children, elderly and other "vulnerable" individuals.
It does not appear to apply to the average, private gun owner. This only allows them to check those certain individuals in those positions for criminal activity, including acts outside of the state itself.
trackbill.com...
originally posted by: butcherguy
Why do they write the serial # of the weapon on the firm if all they are doing is a background check on me?
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: introvert
If I am reading this correctly, this only applies to certain people that apply for jobs in which they work for government operations, facilities, or other occupations in which the applicant/employee comes in contact with children, elderly and other "vulnerable" individuals.
It does not appear to apply to the average, private gun owner. This only allows them to check those certain individuals in those positions for criminal activity, including acts outside of the state itself.
trackbill.com...
Sounds like any job working with the public except for people that work in bars or sex shops. No wairlt... elderly people are allowed in bars and sex shops!
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: butcherguy
Why do they write the serial # of the weapon on the firm if all they are doing is a background check on me?
Because the ATF needs to find whether that gun has been used for any crime, even new guns. Your name, and social security is provided for the background check, but it is illegal for any government agency to keep this information in a database, or have any form of gun registration.
people that apply for jobs in which they work for government operations, facilities, or other occupations in which the applicant/employee comes in contact with children, elderly and other "vulnerable" individuals.