Is human sexuality actually slavery?

I have believed that human sexuality is actually slavery for a long time. I'm basing that conclusion on the following definition:

slavery

submission to a dominating influence
www.merriam-webster.com...

I don't know why people can't see that human sexuality is slavery according to that definition. I'm of the opinion that sexuality is forced on people by an outside influence. I see our bodies and our bodily functions as being separate from who we really are. I know that's a controversial view, but I think that it's easy to see that our true selves are not our bodies. For instance, when you stop yourself from allowing your body's cravings for unhealthy food to control you, that proves that the real you is separate from your body. When you force yourself to exercise when your body is telling you not to, that demonstrates that the real you is separate from your body.

The way I see it, your body is forcing you to experience sexuality. And, since you have no choice in that, it's slavery.

a reply to: Profusion

It is interesting the way you describe human sexuality as slavery for on one level our society is absolutely manifesting this. However their is the eastern approach that is much different exemplified in the Kama Sutra, Taoistic secrets, and so on.

They say that sexual energy is the source of longevity. That we men should not be wasting our seed during intercourse but actually gaining mastery over ourselves and sending it up to nourish our higher energetic centers, this accompanies the ability of discerning between orgasm and ejaculation, meaning that men can also have multiple orgasms.

Women can do the same by learning about their cycles and mastering inner practices that help them keep this balanced and in the same way nourishing their higher energy centers. For both male and female practices I recommend the work of an author by the name of Mantak Chia

It stems from the idea that we naturally are animals and most people never escape the basic animal instinct of procreation. It is said that all sexual energy can be associated with god since it is the main moving force of all life, but as human beings we are given the opportunity to cultivate it and in doing so manifest the higher understandings of our divine selves.

I do believe that there is an effort to keep people ignorant of these truths and keep people programmed into their basic animal natures as that is how the elite seek to control us in the myriad of ways that they do.

Slavery is the name of the game and to the elite that understand esoteric practices and the rituals that accompany their dark practices, it is no wonder that we see the world we see, with hypersexualization of children, BDSM, the porn industry, marketing in general and the accompanying brainwashing that keeps so many in the dark of their true inherent power.

I truly feel very sorry for you. My condolences.

Depends who you ask...

originally posted by: Profusion
I have believed that human sexuality is actually slavery for a long time. (snip)
The way I see it, your body is forcing you to experience sexuality. And, since you have no choice in that, it's slavery.

There are only two paths a body/mind will experience. One of failure: (a poor environment) and all die; or one of a better environment; that allows for the procreation of all species. We are here. Why are you defining negatives that you know yourself to be wrong? This Universe is based upon positive outcomes (growth to know Itself) otherwise what is the point of the experiment?

a reply to: Profusion

It doesn't sound controversial, it sounds asinine. Based in fantasy, make-believe and whimsy.

It sounds like deferring personal responsibility to instinct.

a reply to: Profusion

Willful submission is not slavery. I guess this argument could be applied to nymphomaniacs, who may be expressing themselves sexually against their true wishes.

I, for one, submit willfully. Sexuality/sensuality is a huge part of who I am and I think I would feel the same even if I were removed from my body or uploaded in to some cyborg body.

a reply to: Profusion

I always saw it that way too ( it always made me cry !!! I felt it was what a good girlfriend has to do I felt my mother sold me into it too ) Now I believe it can be something else and that not all human beings are consumed by it for the reasons listed in OP

So eating is "slavery," too?

If so, with ya there, buddy... true, true.

But sex is usually a choice ... you don't die if you refuse to do it (usually, barring rape and such, of course)... thus, if no coercion is involved, no slavery is apparent.

But eating, drinking and breathing? Those are the chains of (biological) bondage!

a reply to: Profusion

In a similar way to how we are slaves to the need to eat.

Different of course, because one does theoretically not need to have sex to live;

But similar in that, many would admit it is very difficult to fully abstain from sex.

Some people have stronger impulses than others. In some senses, the O gasm, can be seen as a type of drug (a pleasurable chemical reaction in the mind) that can be addicting.

originally posted by: Abysha


I, for one, submit willfully. Sexuality/sensuality is a huge part of who I am and I think I would feel the same even if I were removed from my body or uploaded in to some cyborg body.

What are the potential reasons; Pleasure, company, distraction/escape?, (biological impulses; millions of years of evolution urging your/our ancestors to think and act 'reproduce, reproduce, reproduce'... which links into... "entice me to reproduce with pleasure" ...

If sex was not pleasurable, and I do not mean by that, if sex was painful, but if it was neutral, no feeling at all, how would your feelings toward it change, do you think?

If reproduction was not necessary, how would your feelings change?

I mention, company above, to relate to these questions, as then it becomes a company thing, a mind thing, of feeling connected, or one, with something other than oneself, to feel some unity, some acceptance, to feel desired and valuable.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Profusion

They say that sexual energy is the source of longevity.

"whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”



The root of the word "Israel" is a conjoining of Isis (female), Ra (Male), and El (God). The star of david represents this sacred embrace - a triangle represents a male whereas an upside down triangle represents female; the star of david resembles the tantric sex position of a male and female facing eachother (folded legs make a triangle). This is also the root of the Missionary position (face-to-face sex), which used to be taught sitting up, to allow the kundalini to raise through the spine.

In short, the Gift of God is an endless orgasmic union with the love of your life while venturing into the spiritual frontier together (assuming you don't settle for a lustuous, karmic relationship).

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Profusion

It is interesting the way you describe human sexuality as slavery for on one level our society is absolutely manifesting this. However their is the eastern approach that is much different exemplified in the Kama Sutra, Taoistic secrets, and so on.

They say that sexual energy is the source of longevity. That we men should not be wasting our seed during intercourse but actually gaining mastery over ourselves and sending it up to nourish our higher energetic centers, this accompanies the ability of discerning between orgasm and ejaculation, meaning that men can also have multiple orgasms.

Women can do the same by learning about their cycles and mastering inner practices that help them keep this balanced and in the same way nourishing their higher energy centers. For both male and female practices I recommend the work of an author by the name of Mantak Chia

It stems from the idea that we naturally are animals and most people never escape the basic animal instinct of procreation. It is said that all sexual energy can be associated with god since it is the main moving force of all life, but as human beings we are given the opportunity to cultivate it and in doing so manifest the higher understandings of our divine selves.

I do believe that there is an effort to keep people ignorant of these truths and keep people programmed into their basic animal natures as that is how the elite seek to control us in the myriad of ways that they do.

Slavery is the name of the game and to the elite that understand esoteric practices and the rituals that accompany their dark practices, it is no wonder that we see the world we see, with hypersexualization of children, BDSM, the porn industry, marketing in general and the accompanying brainwashing that keeps so many in the dark of their true inherent power.

Ho yes ! That is the ticket. Inner Smile rules..then Fusion 5-L3, where the real fun starts...

originally posted by: ImaFungi

originally posted by: Abysha


I, for one, submit willfully. Sexuality/sensuality is a huge part of who I am and I think I would feel the same even if I were removed from my body or uploaded in to some cyborg body.

What are the potential reasons; Pleasure, company, distraction/escape?, (biological impulses; millions of years of evolution urging your/our ancestors to think and act 'reproduce, reproduce, reproduce'... which links into... "entice me to reproduce with pleasure" ...

If sex was not pleasurable, and I do not mean by that, if sex was painful, but if it was neutral, no feeling at all, how would your feelings toward it change, do you think?

If reproduction was not necessary, how would your feelings change?

I mention, company above, to relate to these questions, as then it becomes a company thing, a mind thing, of feeling connected, or one, with something other than oneself, to feel some unity, some acceptance, to feel desired and valuable.

Those are all really great questions and are ones I've asked myself over the years.

When you ask if it were something I would do if it didn't bring me pleasure, it what depend on what kind of pleasure you mean. For me, sex and sensation are things that augment my connection to people I care about and share special bonds with. It is less about the way it makes me "feel" and more about the way it makes me "know", if that makes sense. So if you are asking if I would do if there were no physical pleasure behind it, the answer is yes.

It is a special communication and an expression of affection. When I am with one of my partners, I can know and understand them unlike any other people. Being known and understood is invaluable to the human experience.

a reply to: Profusion


Alternative to what you are suggesting is that humans as well as animals could experience Mitosis! So my question is what alternative to reproduction in the common with, respect to multicellular life are you suggesting?

Its more like you would prefer that life was not so much of a challenge and in my opinion.

um. yeah... a perfectly logical mechanic to get beings to procreate is slavery. right on..

Yes,those pesky hormones do cause a lot of problems for us.
We get aroused and succumb to our sexual urges and needs.
If that is a form of slavery, I was a happy slave in my younger
days.

We are spiritual beings stuck in physical manifestation. That in my opinion is a far worse form of slavery.

Despite whether we exist after this life in some fashion or not, we are apparently here simply to procreate & nothing more, forcing more spiritual beings into slavery. A system I can only imagine being directly put into place for some very specific agendas. "Economies" & even "societies" are simply a by product, for better or worse. I truly agree that we are slaves in every fashion while stuck in these physical bodies. Does that make this hell? Maybe.

a reply to: SmurfRider


Another way of looking at it is that we a physical beings who do not yet comprehend the extent of what is physical.

a reply to: Kashai

It's that dang fluoride I tell ya! In some sense I agree, but until we evolve into the real life Xmen generation, I'm going with forced slavery by some alien or God entity. I'm an enormous believer in paranormal powers, but until at least every 1 in 10,000 humans is born with telekinesis, I'd say that we are being forced here into very limited bodies in a very limited species. Sexuality is just a very effective tool.

I also accept that we could be purely evolutionary & that eventually we could evolve into something incomprehensible, but that line of thought is too nihilistic for me. Though, in that case, sexuality would still be slavery, but slavery to what really? A 10 second burst of extreme pleasure that doesn't even require anyone but yourself? No big deal, really. My original point was that we are potentially real slaves on a much deeper level.