Saudi Arabia Warns of Economic Fallout if Congress Passes 9/11 Bill

a reply to: Profusion

However if the Saudi government can be shown to have any implication in the 9/11 attack then of course they could be fined and ordered to pay reparations to the value of those same asset's they are attempting to use for financial terrorism and the much greater asset loss caused in the economic turmoil following the attack on the trade centre.

a reply to: Vector99
Labor? I am, have been, have friends, have family, had friends, had family... oh man... this doesn't end.... In the oilfield, labor and administrative. I was labor, I was 3rd party, I was technical, now I'm administrative and have been for some time.... IN the oilfield.

But look, that's beside the point.

You're still missing it man.

For the sake of refraining from long, drawn out examples, even so, you don't want references.... I really don't feel like pressing on.

I'll just say, I know what I know, you obviously know what you know... we'll just agree to disagree. I mean... It's not like this has been my career since 1998 or anything. Surely I wouldn't know anything about how the oilfield runs. A person doesn't spend that much time in a field and know anything at all about it after nearly 20 years. I mean, c'mon. A man doesn't escape that many layoff periods in that many years because he doesn't know anything about the industry.







Still...

a reply to: FlyingFox i know that all flights in us were grounded after 9/11thru9/12 but the saudi crown prince who was an ambassador was flown out on 9/12 . and it was reported when it happened and alot of us were asking wth why is perps being allowed to leave.

a reply to: proteus33

Another thing to remember is back in Reagan's era when Margaret Thatcher was the prime minister of the UK at the and of the Apartheid regime in south africa there was a move to strip SA of it's nuclear weapon's ability's, several of these bomb's were shipped via the Saudi Peninsular were they were stored in an unguarded compound and several of them vanished.


This dirty and TREASONOUS Deal in contravention of international non proliferation treatise and also against our own law's in the UK and your's in the US was made with the full knowledge and cooperation of the CIA and the US government, why?.

They needed Saudi on there side for a number of reason's, Thatcher was selling off our oil and gas fields and a deal to get Saudi gas and oil cheap (For the time being until her privatisation of the British Gas was through) was one reason and the other was because they wanted Saudi on side for regional stability during the cold war and for there own interests.

In short Cameron has commited high treason and it is clearly shown that his actions jeapardised the security of the western nations and yet he is running the UK despite his criminal past and that of his father.

When you are asking why they let a Saudi royal prince fly out the day after the trade centre attack's you must realize that the powers whom allowed him to leave would happily kill off half of your/there own nation so long as it was in there own vested interests, they are DIRTY, TREASONOUS and EVIL and it is not Barack he is just the laters puppet figure head, the few of your president's whom stood against the cabal did so at risk to there live's, the cabal own your secret service.

a reply to: StallionDuck

There is a huge difference between knowing a trade and knowing how a trade works.

You know how to get oil. I'm going to take a safe guess and assume you don't know the finances behind getting the oil, you just know how to get it. Nothing wrong with that, but to say that since you worked in a field for 20 years you know everything about it...well why don't you own an oilfield?

just imagine.... how deep is that rabbit hole.... really....


i cant

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: luthier

Listen. I hate stupid people. When I see stupid things I get all in a tizzy so please forgive me for saying,

You know what's funny, just not funny haha?

Your average Saudi citizen would say they're secular in nature.

You know what else is funny? Ask any Jew in Israel about Judaism versus Islam, you know what they say? They're secular in nature. ....

That's how I know you are full of #.

I know your full of # because you have never travelled to a place where the people are definitely not secular. No most Saudis are not secular. Your absolutley ignorant to reality.

This has nothing to do with Islam. This is nasty wahibis.

Like I said Jordan, Syria hell Lebanon Turkey Indonesia they all have normal moderate people. Saudis actually are mostly barabaric. It's not just the government. The citizens themselves are brutal.

I guess you would rather be ignorant and believe everybody is good.

Maybe look up some amnesty, human. Rights watch or anything that has to do with Saudi culture. Better yet get on a plane and get back to me.

Utter utter utter utter bullsh*t. You are telling me that most of the populace there is barbaric? Somehow there is a country where most people have turned out that way?

Well..you are wrong. How do I know? I lived there for 12 years. And the majority of the people there where exactly as most are in the middle east, which is generous to a fault, friendly and very welcoming.

The house of Saudi are relics and asses though.

Are you female?

If your from the West you lived in your own little world in a seperate part of the country. You most likely had escorts take you around. I have a friend who is a teacher there. He can't stand it. His wife was not even allowed to come over with him.

Yes they are generous. But don't follow the rules and you end up whipped for having wine.
It's also not just the government that stones woman it's villagers.

When I was in Dubai and Abu Dhabi with a whole CO Ed team we had to be extremely careful of the woman. That is even more modern than Saudi Arabia.

No. I'm not female and we didn't live on the compounds if that is what you are talking about. We lived in a house in the city. No escorts either *not sure where u got that idea from) and as for the whipping...that's not done by the general population which is who im defending.


Stop spreading lies and hatred please. I

Uh huh.

So vllages don't stone women? Maybe a little Google and human rights watch for some stats.

Therefore the majority of people are barbaric? As says the claim im refuting. I lived there for a sizeable portion of my life. I know what the saudi's general public are really like.

I don't see this development, the congressional bill, in terms of the oil industry at all. This bill is something that could have been done at any time after 9/11 if there were, at the time, a will to do it.

Whatever the merit of the bill itself, and independently of whether the Saudi government had anything to do with 9/11, there is a movement in US government circles to rock the Saudi boat, and that is something new.

The German clandestine services issued a report to their government a few months ago,

www.wsj.com...

BERLIN—Germany’s foreign intelligence service warned about Saudi Arabia adopting a destabilizing role, in an unusual blunt criticism of the Gulf kingdom’s growing influence in the Arab world.

“The previous cautious diplomatic stance of older leading members of the royal family is being replaced by an impulsive policy of intervention,” the German Intelligence Service, known by its German acronym BND, said in a memo distributed to journalists.

King Salman bin Abdulaziz and his son Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who is also defense minister and second in line to the throne, are trying to make their names as “leaders of the Arab world,” the report said.

The Saudi profile has certainly elevated a number of times in the last couple of years.

Other Arab states have made similar attempts at regional swagger and have been turned upside down for the trouble.

Of course 9/11 is involved with this, and of course the oil industry is involved with this, but I think the real issue is political and I think it is going to be nipped in the bud.

We need to fix this, man.

According to a writer for Forbes Magazine, the Saudi financial threat is something that the American financial system could digest with a burp or two, but no need to take an antacid.

www.forbes.com... a8ea12b44

Even among governments $750 billion is real money. But this, well, I suppose we should call it a, threat that Saudi Arabia would sell of $750 billion of US assets if a certain bill passes Congress isn’t all that much of a threat. Yes, indeed, it’s a large amount of money. But large in relation to what? This is wealth, assets, so we can’t go comparing it even to GDP, which is a flow, we need to compare it to the stock of assets in the US. And at that it’s perhaps 1% of the assets of the nation. Someone selling 1% of the stock of a company would be one of those things we would notice for sure but it wouldn’t exactly be an existential crisis, would it? If the actions went further, to the Saudis moving the money they receive out of dollars and into, say, the euro, it’s not immediately obvious that those markets would even see what is happening. Daily turnover in London alone is well over $2 trillion. This is thus more of an interesting thing to say than an important problem that has to be dealt with.

He goes into more detail about it in the article, but he is right in saying that the Saudi statement is what is interesting, not the financials involved.

This little contre temps between Saudi Arabia and the Americans is going to be resolved very quickly, I think. It is not going to be allowed to fester and bloom into anything more serious and nuclear is already serious enough.

There is only one way this thing can go, as far as I can see, and that is changes at the top in Saudi Arabia.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: enlightenedservant

um no. SA doesn't have a significant amount of US treasury bonds, what they have is aged US military equipment. Here's a link to what foreign nation own US debt and how much. SA isn't on the list.

If SA decides to get crazy and stop being the USA's lapdog, they will be worse off than any middle eastern country within the next decade. The US only destabilizes enemies. "Friends" like SA are kept simply because they benefit the US. Going to war with SA would be the easiest congressionally passed war declaration in modern US history. The sentiment in the US is already against SA, so it wouldn't be like convincing the masses with the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I don't know a single American that doesn't agree with intervention in SA.

Please re-read the entire article. They're threatening to sell off their assets here before they get frozen. It's not just Treasury bonds.

And sorry but nope, the sentiment is not against Saudi Arabia. Maybe the people you know feel like that, but those people aren't in office, now are they? Because both of the major US political parties are staunch Saudi & GCC allies at the top levels (for example, Prince Bandar is called Bandar Bush because of his close ties to the Bush administration). The same goes for our military leaders and intelligence agencies. And that's the same, whether we're talking about the US, the UK, or many other Western governments. In fact, here's an article from yesterday about a $15 billion sale from Canada to Saudi Arabia.

The Liberal government continued to defend Canada's $15-billion sale of light-armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia as "a matter of principle," just as a new report highlighting the U.S government's concerns with widespread human rights violations in the kingdom was released this week.

www.cbc.ca...

EDIT TO ADD: Oh yeah, you might not know this one. Saudi Arabia is now the 3rd largest military spender behind only the US and China.

Heres a thought... Freeze them then pass the bill. A executive order will instantly freeze them and bypass the courts so they woudnt be able to sell them assets before they froze them. Then un freeze them after saudis cow tow.

Why would the US do that? We still sell them new stuff and love their foreign investment. There are so many Western companies stationed in GCC countries that would be negatively affected by a freeze in Saudi relations. Because I guarantee you relations would be frozen if the US froze Saudi assets (Saudi Arabia is the economic leader of the other GCC countries).

Besides, frozen assets are usually used as collateral in lawsuits, bankruptcies, and the such. Imagine the blowback if Saudi Arabia's powerbrokers revealed damaging CIA deals during those court hearings. Muslims like myself have been saying all along that the West, Israel, and the Wahhabis have been in cahoots during this "War on Terrorism". So imagine if the Saudis started leaking the details behind Western secret deals with extremist groups like Al-Nusra, ISIS, and the such.

That's why I believe this is all just posturing.

a reply to: Profusion

Answer this for me, if they were complicit and they knew this was going to happen, why the hell where they even here?

Food for thought..

The US only imported 11% of our oil from SA last year.

11%..

40% of it came from Canada..

US oil imports

a reply to: Profusion

Not a problem. Anyone watching we are all now living in at the world where everything done in the darkness is now coming out in the light. You want proof of that. Look at the news. Anything that seemed un-touchable is now touchable.

You can hide from human law's all you like but you can't break the law's of the universe. They are unbreakable. If Saudi Arabia do manage to block a bill in the senate so be it. That will be nothing compared to what's in store. Whatever you put out, alway's come back. The more you screw with humanity the more the universe screw with you.

If saudi Arabia continue's to be un-ethical, they will get what's coming. It's only taken 15 years. They can't rely on oil anymore, because people are now refusing to touch it.

Saudi is no longer as powerful as it use to be. It can now be touched, and the people of earth have woken up, and are now are of their true power. They are now aware that they can do something, and effect outcomes.

All it takes is one person to simply post up they refuse to buy any products from Saudi Arabia. Electric car's are now a thing, and many people are now aware of the dangers of Global warming. Humanity is now awake, and is now more connected than ever before due to the internet.

Either way. What's about to happen will happen. We are now living in a world where the light is shining into the darkness, and nothing can hide from it.

Redemption is the only way to stop what's coming.

I can't wait to see what happens next.

a reply to: Swills



Iran asked to pay 10.5 billion dollars to 9/11 victims

I wonder how many times Iran is mentioned in the missing 28 pages of the 9/11 report.
Way less than Saudi Arabia I guess.

a reply to: Profusion

sounds like USA are deep Saudis Pockets. i wonder how much more your government doers under the radar to keep them happy.

sounds like america is half owned by the Saudis. unlucky. i hope they do go to court whatever the backlash is.

originally posted by: onequestion
Bomb them.

Not the people just the Royal house.

Let me know just as soon as you sign up for the military to do that. Or do you want someone else's kids to do that?

a reply to: F4guy


We don't need people to do that. We have drones... guided missiles... buttons!

a reply to: StallionDuck

The Saudis benefited from 911 in part because these attacks were used to rile up Americans in order to overthrow Saddam Hussein's Iraq, once and for all, unlike the first Gulf War. So, soon enough after it was 'Mission accomplished' for the Saidis on that front....

originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: F4guy


We don't need people to do that. We have drones... guided missiles... buttons!

Yeah, I sorta expected you wouldn't volunteer.