Asking the right questions

a reply to: ch1n1t0

Well fair enough.

Did you read David Marlers book on BTUFOs?

Supposedly Columbus, etc. Saw one.

That blows the black OPs theory to hell and gone.

As for me --- same thing...I want to understand "my" BTUFO.

Only I can't separate out the high strangeness. I would if I could...but its not possible in my case.

Kev

originally posted by: JackHill

Please explain how an international black ops operation have been carried on since at least 50 years with technology that no onse seems to posses even today, and convince every single time the subjects that the people doing it are actually 'grey little aliens' / 'hybrid-like' aliens.

As far as I know, Skunkworks have been one of the "groups of people" involved with said technology. As well as a few other. So the technology is there. It's just that you and I don't have access to it. That much I'm sure. Same with GPS, how long did it take for the military to allow us use and even know the benefits of this technology? And the drawbacks, too, tee hee.

Massive TV brainwashing? In a time, for instance, where the subject was a complete taboo and almost completely unknown, but for some reason, people living in completely different places that never meet eachother described practically the same events over and over again, worried about what happened to them, because, they watched some movie?

Point me to which period you're referring when UFOs were taboo. I'm not talking about news bulletins, or anything. I mean, come on, even today there's little to no serious take on UFOs by the media. At least, not in the correct manner. What's to say it ever was. Please, do a google search on complete list of alien movies since the 40s. People's minds have been obsessed with aliens since the dawn of TV. Before that, books were written. Remember, this is during the dawn of technology and the industrial revolution or just prior to that. These are the stories that are pushing the envelope, but are the same that are sculpting the social mind, reality and future.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

This is one of the two main possibilities that I take into account as most probable, Mystik. It really fits in well when you take a non-biased stance and just stare at the wall of information. Military really are not ones to goof up and say "aliens" and then go back on their wording and say it's nothing more than a balloon. What a great psy-ops opportunity. It still resonates to this day.

I don't think we're being prepped on a social level, rather than the information and technology growth allows us to learn more in shorter time periods and allow ideas which were thought of crazy before, to be more or less socially accepted. And this will continue exponentially. I don't know if you've noticed how a small 3 year old handles a tablet or a smartphone

I'm still pretty sure that when microbial ET life gets officially announced, it will make a great topic for the table for a few months, and also a lot of Facebook, ATS and Twitter traffic will be generated. The UFO/Alien industry will bloom. It's a day that I'm both looking forward, and not.

a reply to: ch1n1t0

Vethumanbeing just mentioned it in passing a few times such as yesterday in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I've never fully written my sighting up...just mentioned it in passing. This is because I "summoned mine" which for a retired nuclear engine room supervisor is not something I tend to admit very often. (I take my profile name fairly seriously though).

Thus you see how I can't separate out the high strangeness...

Here is my hand drawing of it:



Kev

originally posted by: ch1n1t0

As far as I know, Skunkworks have been one of the "groups of people" involved with said technology. As well as a few other. So the technology is there. It's just that you and I don't have access to it. That much I'm sure. Same with GPS, how long did it take for the military to allow us use and even know the benefits of this technology? And the drawbacks, too, tee hee.


Point me to which period you're referring when UFOs were taboo. I'm not talking about news bulletins, or anything. I mean, come on, even today there's little to no serious take on UFOs by the media. At least, not in the correct manner. What's to say it ever was. Please, do a google search on complete list of alien movies since the 40s. People's minds have been obsessed with aliens since the dawn of TV. Before that, books were written. Remember, this is during the dawn of technology and the industrial revolution or just prior to that. These are the stories that are pushing the envelope, but are the same that are sculpting the social mind, reality and future.

There's no evidence whatsoever that would indicate any military group (even back in the 60's) with the capabilities and the technology to carry on global operations that would involve abducting civilians against their will in every possible imagined scenario (including big populated areas) and convince every single time with some sort of memory tampering without making a single mistake, not once. What your pretend here is simply way beyond any military group could perform.

The 'taboo' part I'm talking about is related to being abducted by these creatures. Even in recent times people has lost friends and even jobs because talking of it. Again, pretending this is some sort of media paranoia' is simply not to know how the phenomena works.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Haven't read this one. Doing a google search after thanking you here. Thanks a bunch Kev! *off to google*.

p.s. if you don't want to go into much detail on here, U2U me, if you don't want to give away locations, etc, what would cut it for me is Local Sidereal Time, and the specific date of your sighting. Pretty please?

originally posted by: ch1n1t0
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Haven't read this one. Doing a google search after thanking you here. Thanks a bunch Kev! *off to google*.

p.s. if you don't want to go into much detail on here, U2U me, if you don't want to give away locations, etc, what would cut it for me is Local Sidereal Time, and the specific date of your sighting. Pretty please?

The date and time are on the hand drawing.
The location was in Manteca, Ca.

(I moved far from that area a few years back..so don't mind saying).

Both Mufon and Jacques Vallee himself investigated.

Kev

a reply to: ch1n1t0

I think at this point?

If they announced tomorrow with 100% certainty and showed video or images of microbes from another world...some people would be really excited, but most of humanity would simply nod, shrug their shoulders and get back to the task at hand.

It's a foregone conclusion to anyone living in an industrialized democracy that alien life in some for exists in the universe outside of Earth.

Microbes? *yawn* for most people. They aren't intelligent, visiting or attacking. They don't represent any immediate change to the status quo and the daily rat-race they participate in.

Seriously, nearly every human is more preoccupied with just making it in the world than the implications of some germs from Mars that can't pay them, feed them, or change their daily lives in a direct and immediate way.

Humanity is ready, but we're to busy to even care ...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ch1n1t0

Vethumanbeing just mentioned it in passing a few times such as yesterday in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I've never fully written my sighting up...just mentioned it in passing. This is because I "summoned mine" which for a retired nuclear engine room supervisor is not something I tend to admit very often. (I take my profile name fairly seriously though).

Thus you see how I can't separate out the high strangeness...

Here is my hand drawing of it:

Kev

Protip: If it's lights are red...walk away...

These things have different colors.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Hey! Its my job to be mysterious.

Care to share with the class?

Kev

originally posted by: wmd_2008

Even if Drakes equation was partially correct the distances between possible civilizations & therefore time makes it highly unlikely anyone has passed by here.

Distances and time may not matter that much to us either once we achieve a technological level allowing us to use shortcuts through space and time. Will we figure out how to bend space-time and use wormholes in say 100, 500 or 1000 years in a way that would open the doors to the stars?

Perhaps there are even other options to get from A to B without the need for travelling through space for millennia. Quantum comupters and our future AI systems may support us in finding solutions for these problems. And then there's the additional possibility that they might come from a place that's closer to Earth than we might think.

As for accounts from the past LOOK how many mistaken accounts we get on here or in fact links to outright lies from hoaxers on the net do you honestly think lying is new thing for us, it's just more sophisticated than it used to be

When looking at cases with UAP's tracked on radar incl. ground observations by highly skilled professionals plus independent witnesses in different locations, I'm having a hard time calling them hoaxers or liars.

I do acknowledge though that it has become increasingly difficult to filter the noise in times of YouTube and CGI. Platforms and media change and people have been lying and will continue to do so for a quick buck, but the phenomenon is still out there and won't go away just because of a few jerks trying to get some views on their channel ...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Kev's drawing is identical to our description, just didn't notice the size being mentioned anywhere.

The one we saw was a bit bigger than an average military jet, although it's really hard to be that specific without being prepared for something like this. And now that I'm prepared, I haven't seen anything despite the 8 times I've been in the same place since 2010.

Those were red. The other "physical" craft that we saw, we judged by it blocking out the stars behind, it was pretty close and had a red dotted ring around it, sort of. So, red - not good, you say. That would explain why I started getting migraines ever since, and never had one before the case

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

27th November 2013

34% Waining Crescent Moon phase. Wednesday. Fits a few patterns

Ours was on the evening of 10th of August, 2010. Patterns are a great thing.

You have a U2U

Though, I have to admit, that the fact that these were observed a few times in the area, before and after by many people, but didn't cause much of a stir, still make me double-check the validity of them being physical.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, they have other colors they've been seen in -- right? They don't need to be red "just because".

Red is a universal color to warn. I would proceed cautiously and not approach closer if one was emitting red colors.

Even among the animal kingdom red is used by various species to warn off potential predators and curious parties that may harm/interfere with a critter. I think there might be some epigenetic predisposition to feel warned away by red.

a reply to: ch1n1t0

Well, something like that would most likely have some form of defensive capability. Even with escort fighter jets I doubt that they would create a BBT that was totally defenseless after all these years. These things aren't always seen with escorts and have been documented for decades being seen alone.

Also, these craft already display the ability to manipulate energy in unique ways, so it might not be a difficult thing to use one system on the craft for double duty.

a reply to: ch1n1t0

You had me @ "UFOs are real, there's no question about it."

Have any physical evidence of this?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: ch1n1t0

These things aren't always seen with escorts and have been documented for decades being seen alone.

That's because they might be modular, the huge triangle consisting of smaller ones, so it's not really alone. This is all speculation, of course. But entertaining. And might be true.

a reply to: ch1n1t0

That's the thing.

I'm 100.00% percent certain that even if there is a physical element involved, only the people who are invited to see them, for whatever reason, see them.

I also think that they generally only come out starting at dusk and stop at false dawn. These "red ones" anyway. I'd say that they live underground/underwater or at least they seem light phobic wherever they live.

Kev

a reply to: rigel4

Please, do read past the sentence and further into the thread. I've mentioned a few times throughout the posts on here, that fact of the matter is, there are too many indications that there is advanced aircraft in our skies and something to be drawing conclusions on, no matter how speculative they might be. Now, jumping to ET straight away (and disregarding it fully, too) , is a close-minded approach, me thinks. Also, it was mentioned time and time again that it's questionable what these are (whether physical or not, human, ET, something else, or a mixture).

I'm sure you can provide thought-provoking input if you looked through that statement.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ch1n1t0

I'd say that they live underground/underwater or at least they seem light phobic wherever they live.

I'd say it's the latter

USO

p.s. I think from all those 10 or so periscope photos, two really contained something weird, while the rest were there for muddying the waters