Philip Corso's Notes - Dawn of a New Age

a reply to: 5StarOracle

What military would test parachutes with child size dummies with heads larger than adults?

Well that's actually not the issue. The issue is that these crash dummies were not being used in 1947 so they couldn't possibly explain 'bodies' in the desert.

a reply to: mirageman

Yes, he was giving out information that verified the story of the retraction...after he had been questioned by the military. He was escorted by MPs, according to "Witness To Roswell" by Thomas J. Carey and Donald R, Schmitt. (There is a chapter on the July 9th article you quoted - Chapter 6.)

Why drag Brazel back into the story after the official explanation had been given? Why take him to do the July 9th interview with a military escort?

His original recorded testimony was never aired, and it was taken by the military as well.

AFTER he gave the interview for the article you quoted, which was after the "Official Explanation" had been given by the military to the media, he was taken back to the base for three days. ??? (per the same book, based on a personal interview with Joe Brazel, Mac Brazel's son, given in 2004)

Mac Brazel's daughter, Bessie, according to this same book, was "taken aside by her dad and warned, 'Don't believe everything you read about me in the papers. The government is going to use me to keep something secret!" (from personal interviews of Bessie Brazel Schreiber, 1990-1991, 2000 - 2001)


So they question him, and then take him to do the interview (the military)...he says all it was was tinfoil, sticks and rubber...??? IF that's what happened then perhaps he was influenced to say what they wanted him to say, and look like an idiot for bringing it to the attention of the military. Then they took him for three more days, while his sons had to come and care for the ranch??? WHY?

It raises both my eyebrows.

Anyway, I am enjoying the discussion of Roswell. It's one of those events we have to draw our own conclusions on, most definitely!

I hope to have some more info on Corso's notes soon...

- AB

originally posted by: mirageman
I'd also like know if the 'UFO and Nuke' connection is just a meme that's developed over time or is there any substance to it.

My thought is that there has been a spurious connection made because military bases have active, eyes-on security, and a lot of them have nuclear weapons either stored on them or passing through. Naturally, if you have soldiers actively out looking for stuff at night, you're going to see more stuff -- whatever it may be. My guess is that the percentage of UFOs seen over "nuclear" bases is not necessarily higher than UFOs seen over ordinary bases. Statistics!

a reply to: Blue Shift

UFO'S have disabled most of the world's nuclear stockpile they are clearly interested in all things nuclear...
This is not common knowledge it's not going to be admitted to but it is true none the less...
You see the gravitational waves produced by nuclear devices are not only a detriment to mankind and Earth but other dimensions as well...
Aside from that the military watches over all aspects of all bases they are not half heartedly monitoring any base regardless of what is on site...
The statistics clearly show UFO'S are indeed more interested in bases and sites with nuclear capabilities...
Even those deep underground have not proven secure when it comes to the ability of the others to disable them and even render them useless...

originally posted by: mirageman
were not being used in 1947 so they couldn't possibly explain 'bodies' in the desert.

"Bodies" at Roswell were not reported until many years later, by a author trying to sell a book.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: mirageman
were not being used in 1947 so they couldn't possibly explain 'bodies' in the desert.

"Bodies" at Roswell were not reported until many years later, by a author trying to sell a book.

I know people whom express this almost as a mantra: "Do not buy books because the Authors of such are just trying to sell you something". Explain this to Plato.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Here's a disturbing Corso link for you..

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The one narrow reference here.. of 'extreme precision lasers' being used to harvest body parts so that "demons" can gain physical bodies...

I can understand why someone might theorize that...

There is a known phenomenon in 'the occult' that certain 'entities' will harvest skin cells from living people in an attempt to 'manifest'.

I find it fascinating, that if you follow this UFO subject back far enough.. it seems to always lead back to Crowley, Parsons, and various sorcerer physicists.. every single time. Even Corso might be involved.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, the Aliens are Demons hypothesis is one that has an appeal for people who are trying to integrate Christian beliefs with the phenomenon of UFOs.

I have issue with the logic, however, that Crowley opened up a vortex which allowed the aliens to come in, because the same theory says that aliens have "been with us for a very long time" - as in, from the earliest days, in the time of Noah, etc. Which is it? Crowley smashed the dimensional rift that allowed demonic beings to come through that happen to manifest as high-tech types? OR that aliens have been here "watching" and doing whatever it is that they do since as far back as the beginning?

I'm not saying I have the answers, but honestly, I think Tom Horn and Chris Putnam do some serious logical contortions to arrive at their conclusions.

Maybe the Others collect genetic material from us and cattle/etc. for other reasons? What if they use them in creating cloned beings that can survive in multiple environments? What if the Others can't simply walk around here on the planet due to anatomical or immunological differences or something? Maybe they don't want to destroy all of us via their germs (think smallpox). Then again, if they are ill-intended, maybe they want to develop viruses that can kill us! But that begs the question "why are we still alive and 7 billion strong?" They want our souls?? What does that even mean????

Heck, I'm just throwing things out there, assuming there are Others, whatever they are. I don't know. And I don't think the authors of that book really know either, but rather they have the agenda of creating a new mythology involving "evil aliens," "evil Catholicism" and their fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

Corso, incidentally, was barely mentioned in that article...

a reply to: AboveBoard

Oh I know.

I find Christianity 100.00% in error.
"Demons" as commonly presented too.

I was just reading this article and saw the Corso name so I thought about you.

(must be like a cat that brings a dead bird in the house)!

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Lol!

Um.....thanks....







I've been too busy to get more done on the Notes, so I'm sure the thread will be dead by the time I'm able to pull it together! Glad you are still participating...seriously.

- AB

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I find it fascinating, that if you follow this UFO subject back far enough.. it seems to always lead back to Crowley, Parsons, and various sorcerer physicists.. every single time. Even Corso might be involved.

Kev

I agree they are part of the same phenomena but to say it leads back to them kind of implies a timeline and a structure that they sit at the heart of, whereas this curious puzzle seems to have been with us always and they are just a few of the multitude that have been touched by it - as have you and I !

originally posted by: chunder

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I find it fascinating, that if you follow this UFO subject back far enough.. it seems to always lead back to Crowley, Parsons, and various sorcerer physicists.. every single time. Even Corso might be involved.

Kev

I agree they are part of the same phenomena but to say it leads back to them kind of implies a timeline and a structure that they sit at the heart of, whereas this curious puzzle seems to have been with us always and they are just a few of the multitude that have been touched by it - as have you and I !

You are correct.

The timeline goes back (presumably in my view) to the very beginnings of the human species and probably before that. I'm merely saying that obnoxious occultists seem to be at the very heart of more modern events, such as the people mentioned.

Kev

Surely the correlation worthy of note is the number of scientists who contract for mill/intel sectors and also seemingly dabble in UFO's and the occult.

Why is this??

Because High Priests (which is what these people invariably become in a MIC society) always use fear of the unknown to maintain the status quo; whether it be sacrificing virgins on a temple or capturing Golems in Jumbo at Trinity (unproven event); neither serves any tangible purpose, except to make them seem more "powerful".

I look at Corso and I see someone who probably thinks they are continuing their patriotic duties; provide disinformation to the enemy and maintain power through mystery.....so what if some people believe Humans suddenly stopped being inventive in 1947???

a reply to: Jukiodone

Firstly, thanks for jumping in! It is interesting to look at the connections you bring up regarding scientists who investigate UFO/occult and being to the MIC. I only know of a couple off hand, though, so I'd love more information.

I also want to be clear - I do NOT think that "humans stopped being inventive in 1947." That isn't what Corso is saying either, after reading the Notes. It's more like ANY technological exchange where a more advanced group ends up leaving some tech behind, and the clever less-advanced folks figure it out and come to use it. If its TOO advanced, you get a cargo-cult because it seems like magic. Or, like the Native Americans first coming across guns, they might know how to use it (and use it well), but not have the technology to make it themselves yet.

Are you saying that if advanced technology was dropped at our feet we would step over it and not use it to our own advantage? Or are you claiming that there simply never was any advanced technology discovered and that Corso is just a good soldier spreading rumors for some unknown government disinformation plot related to the Cold War??

Anyway - I just wanted to clear up the idea that this thread, or Corso's notes, were somehow implying that we were suddenly no longer advancing ourselves technologically - that isn't the case. IF, however, we were to discover some form of advanced technology, we would be foolish not to study it. That's all I'm saying. And if ideas for how to develop it could be quietly seeded into the Universities and Corporations who were doing the R&D via the military's funding...well...why wouldn't we?

Thanks for joining the thread - and please jump in some more regarding what you know.

- AB

originally posted by: Jukiodone
Surely the correlation worthy of note is the number of scientists who contract for mill/intel sectors and also seemingly dabble in UFO's and the occult.

Why is this??

Because High Priests (which is what these people invariably become in a MIC society) always use fear of the unknown to maintain the status quo; whether it be sacrificing virgins on a temple or capturing Golems in Jumbo at Trinity (unproven event); neither serves any tangible purpose, except to make them seem more "powerful".

I look at Corso and I see someone who probably thinks they are continuing their patriotic duties; provide disinformation to the enemy and maintain power through mystery.....so what if some people believe Humans suddenly stopped being inventive in 1947???

My opinion is that when humans get involved with the "occult", and that's whatever parts are
"real" and not pure BS, that humans invariably get used.. that very little of "the occult" is
positive for humans.

Now.. to me "the occult" is just poorly misunderstood physics, neurology and psychology.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Jukiodone
Surely the correlation worthy of note is the number of scientists who contract for mill/intel sectors and also seemingly dabble in UFO's and the occult.

Why is this??

Because High Priests (which is what these people invariably become in a MIC society) always use fear of the unknown to maintain the status quo; whether it be sacrificing virgins on a temple or capturing Golems in Jumbo at Trinity (unproven event); neither serves any tangible purpose, except to make them seem more "powerful".

I look at Corso and I see someone who probably thinks they are continuing their patriotic duties; provide disinformation to the enemy and maintain power through mystery.....so what if some people believe Humans suddenly stopped being inventive in 1947???

Now.. to me "the occult" is just poorly misunderstood physics, neurology and psychology.

Kev

I tend to agree that it is about physics we don't understand, our own limited brain wiring and, yes, how we interpret everything (psychology).

I'm not sure about the "used" part, but then again, I've never delved very deeply into "that which is occluded," at least not that particular part. One could think of the occult as a form of technology.

I still think that there are physical objects involved in the UFO phenomena as well as "energy forms" or something like plasma. In other words, I think something could crash, and at other times, there isn't anything in a physical form that could crash - not sure if these are both the same thing at different times or not.

I have great humility in the face of all that I do not know.

- AB

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Jukiodone
Surely the correlation worthy of note is the number of scientists who contract for mill/intel sectors and also seemingly dabble in UFO's and the occult.

Why is this??

Because High Priests (which is what these people invariably become in a MIC society) always use fear of the unknown to maintain the status quo; whether it be sacrificing virgins on a temple or capturing Golems in Jumbo at Trinity (unproven event); neither serves any tangible purpose, except to make them seem more "powerful".

I look at Corso and I see someone who probably thinks they are continuing their patriotic duties; provide disinformation to the enemy and maintain power through mystery.....so what if some people believe Humans suddenly stopped being inventive in 1947???

Now.. to me "the occult" is just poorly misunderstood physics, neurology and psychology.

Kev

I tend to agree that it is about physics we don't understand, our own limited brain wiring and, yes, how we interpret everything (psychology).

I'm not sure about the "used" part, but then again, I've never delved very deeply into "that which is occluded," at least not that particular part. One could think of the occult as a form of technology.

I still think that there are physical objects involved in the UFO phenomena as well as "energy forms" or something like plasma. In other words, I think something could crash, and at other times, there isn't anything in a physical form that could crash - not sure if these are both the same thing at different times or not.

I have great humility in the face of all that I do not know.

- AB

That is wise.

I need to continue to struggle to remain open-minded about purely physical craft.

But our Universe is only about 5% norman matter/energy:

It turns out that roughly 68% of the Universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 27%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the Universe.Jun 5, 2015 Dark Energy, Dark Matter - NASA Science science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/

and of that 5%, less than 1% of that is NOT plasma:

"Today it is recognized that 99.999% of all observable matter in the universe is in the plasma state..." "It is estimated that as much as 99.9% of the universe is comprised of plasma." "Probably more than 99 percent of visible matter in the universe exist in the plasma state."Dec 11, 2014 99.999% plasma - (The Plasma Universe Wikipedia-like ... www.plasma-universe.com/99.999%25_plasma

So when we talk about potentially physical nuts and bolts spacecraft, we are talking about less than
5/10,000th of the Universe (.05 * .01).

I understand that we live in that .05% of the Universe, so we give it much more focus
than perhaps we should.

That.. and there has been 0.00% of any nuts and bolts craft on Earth... we can't even prove
or disprove "black ops craft" that we ourselves have built, that may have a few interesting
capabilities.

On the other hand, I HAVE interacted with lots of mighty strange stuff which is not
"nuts and bolts" that I know of.

All of us though, me included, would be wise to remain humble, as we know very
little about the strangest things.

Kev

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Jukiodone

I only know of a couple off hand, though, so I'd love more information.


- AB

John Dee is the western archetype.
Scientist,High Priest, Spy, Empire Builder and original popularizer of 007.

Obviously the term MIC wasn't a thing then but the British Empire was a similar beast that required power to maintain control.


Modern scientists that have publicly linked themselves to UFOs/Occult AND have been employed by a MIC related entity:

Stanton Friedman: Mcdonnell Douglass
Jaques Valee: NASA/NSF
Corso : Army Intelligence
Jack Parsons: US Navy
Robert Dean: US Army
Hal Puthoff: CIA
Bruce Macabee: US Navy
Wernher Von Braun NAZI's/NASA
Josef Allen Hynek: Airforce
Ben Rich: Lockheed


Whether they were trying to help or hinder is up for debate but none of them seemingly needed the publicity or money.

a reply to: Jukiodone

I will look into these guys more deeply! (I'm aware of a couple)

Stanton Friedman? He caught my eye. I know he's a physicist and had industry ties at one point, and I know he's a proponent of nuts-and-bolts crafts as an explanation for UFOs - I did not, however, know anything about him in relation to the occult.

Also, Hynek - I'm not aware of the occult connection for him either. Could you elaborate? I'm fascinated.


- AB

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That is a very interesting take, KPB.

Can you share your theory then? They are plasma or dark matter or?? And what is dark matter then?

I'm aware of the idea/theory that intelligence / a form of life exists in plasma form, our universe's 4th state of matter, and that of course opens up the possibility that we live here on earth with beings of which we know not...

I know this is a leap from the Corso Notes, but I'm interested and would love to hear it.

Thanks!

- AB