German citizen might get shot by the US Secret Service in their own home

a reply to: amicktd

Sorry man, I've got nothing aside from my testimony regarding what I saw and my interactions with the UK cops at the time.
Maybe they had no rounds in their firearms, maybe it was an exceptional 'special security' thing, I can't provide any proof or verification.
I can only say it angered me that unarmed UK cops were patrolling with US military police carrying firearms, just because a ships company had a bit of shore leave.

*edit*
To clarify, they were sidearm pistols of whatever make, not SA80's, or suchlike.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

That's some pretty manipulative conditioning by the German authorities.

Just another incremental step in the direction of complete tyranny.

We're almost there...

This is the same secret service that allows madmen to rush the stage of presidential candiates, throw projectiles at presidential candidates and allow psycho reporters to breech the safety perimter around presidentail candidates and make physical contact.

I don't think you have much to worry about from these buffons.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: grainofsand

Yeah.

If you need your magic boom boom stick to feel like a man your a coward

So MI6 and all the armed services in britain are all cowards huh? ok. I am sure the MPs had no choice in the matter to be fair. They HAVE to be armed in their job as MPs. And really A nightstick is a weapon too so i guess that makes the cops cowards too eh?

a reply to: yuppa

I see what you are saying to crazyewok, but the context of that conversation was from my comments of US military police carrying sidearm pistols while on patrol 1 to 1 with UK police who were unarmed, keeping the peace while US navy ratings were on regular shore leave in my area.
I took the piss that the UK cop was harder than the US MP because he'd face me with just a stick.
The UK cop laughed, the MP looked like he wanted to shoot me.


*Edit*
The situation angered me because of sovereignty issues, same as if it had been a French military cop strutting with a firearm on my streets.

originally posted by: crazyewok

Plus if the US president assassinated who gives a #? Really?

Wow....... Just wow.... The amount of disrespect towards the current president is, at times, astounding. Some people give the impression that they want this to happen.

World wars have been started over such things. Millions upon millions of average people have been slaughtered as a result. You could say that average people shouldn't retaliate because...... Well...... Who cares, right? Unfortunately, in real life, there are consequences to such things.

a reply to: GD21D

Meh, same when the queen dies, some will give a toss but the majority will not.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
If i would be one of the warned 2000 citizens of Hannover(not Hanover!), i would buy some shop window dummies and prepare every window like Kevin did, when he was home alone!

I love you OP

I laughed hard

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Men who were called tyrants in times past, often set aside time to hear the grievances of their subjects. Some more than others, but it was customary amongst ancient rulers. Now, in our enlightened age, where much of the worlds power is allegedly held by elected persons, rather than figures protected by an aegis of familial ties to mystic warrior kings from time before time, we may not even approach near to the leaders of the free world.

We call them presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, premiers, executives...we rarely see them named as what they are. Less than kings and queens, these pretenders, but tyrants all the same.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: yuppa

I see what you are saying to crazyewok, but the context of that conversation was from my comments of US military police carrying sidearm pistols while on patrol 1 to 1 with UK police who were unarmed, keeping the peace while US navy ratings were on regular shore leave in my area.
I took the piss that the UK cop was harder than the US MP because he'd face me with just a stick.
The UK cop laughed, the MP looked like he wanted to shoot me.

*Edit*
The situation angered me because of sovereignty issues, same as if it had been a French military cop strutting with a firearm on my streets.

See thats the thing about joint operations such as that. teh MPs were invited to walk along to observe and make sure their charges behaved somewhat. And keep in mind they are MILITARY first and POLICE second. SOldiers are targets of people who carry guns and britain is no exception.

Also was the MP really infringing on your sovereignty? was he telling you and th eCOP to bow down to him an dhis american empire? lol.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

1) getting mad at Obama and the secret service for something German police said. Classy move.

2) the article says the police "didn't actually say it" but let's get mad anyway! Thanks Obama!

3) the secret service are about as far from "trigger happy" (as the article claims) as it's possible for a law enforcement agency to get in the US.

4) thanks Obama!

a reply to: grainofsand

The United States Navy does NOT allow their personnel to carry small arms off of the ship while doing Shore Patrol.

Ever.

They are given batons with a duty belt and an arm band. Their job (or duty watch) is to monitor their fellow sailors that are out on liberty to ensure they no trouble is being caused by the US personnel that are on liberty, or to help cooperate with local law enforcement.

I used to do this myself while I was in the Navy.

Pics or it's just a story.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Whether shore patrol or joint patrol by MP and LE, consent is obtained by the military from local government prior to any activity taking place unless things have changed drastically since I was in. If there was an armed Army MP (which would be odd to me) or a SP, they were there because local government and local police allowed them to be.

If they were armed, it was because permission was given to carry side arms.

By local authorities. Plural.

Makes for a cool "eff you I'm a badass" story though I suppose.

a reply to: Shamrock6

US Naval personnel on board most ships are small armed qualed to carry small arms aboard ship during watch

You simply do not give a gun to a sailor and then have them walk around in the general public of a foreign port. They are not qualified to do so.

We don't even allow that here in the US.

smh

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Pics or it's just a story.

Yeah, sorry man, no pics so it'll have to be treated as just a story based on personal testimony.
My only reason to interact with the UK cop was to point out my opinions on him walking the beat with a stick while the US military guy had a firearm. There was absolutely no mistake. You can believe me or not, I'm easy, but I have nothing to gain by lying about it.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
they were there because local government and local police allowed them to be.

If they were armed, it was because permission was given to carry side arms.

I agree completely, they were obviously given permission for whatever reason, perhaps exceptional security considerations, and I've never seen it before or since.
Whenever foreign sailors are on shore leave here their MP's/Naval Provost always patrol with our cops, but unarmed as ours are...if you ignore a lame stick as weaponry.

It was the first and only time I've seen them armed, and I was angry with whichever UK authorities allowed it, hence my interaction with the UK cop to make my protest.
If they can't control their sailors unarmed, or don't trust UK security then I would say no shore leave, stay alongside.
But then I'm not in charge of such matters so all I can do is make my opinion known if ever I see armed foreign forces patrolling my streets.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Shake your head as much as you like, my story is true and you do not know it is not.
And who said about just giving a pistol to a grunt rating sailor to patrol, not me, I don't recognise US uniforms so the guys could have been any branch of the US military for all I knew.

What I do absolutely know though is the guys were carrying sidearm pistols and were working the beat 1 to 1 with unarmed local cops. Were there any rounds in the pistols, only they know, but they were carrying openly and it angered me that UK authorities allowed it just so their sailors could get a bit of shore leave.

Stay on your ships I say before allowing any foreign force to carry on UK streets.

a reply to: grainofsand

But I DO know having served.

Where as you have not....nor do you have any proof, just your word.

In the immortal words of ATS: Pics or it didn't happen.

originally posted by: amicktd
Well to be honest, I'm very wary of your claim. I'm still looking around to verify your claim, do you have a picture or any proof? Everything I've found says U.S. military weapons are not issued to these guys on patrol because it would violate that countries laws. But, if it is true then I agree with you. I wouldn't want some foreign military walking around strapped to the teeth in my country.

Be as wary as you like, I can't prove it, I was only sharing a relevant story that happened a few years ago.
If you don't believe it then meh, no worries, I didn't imagine what I saw, or the interaction I had with the UK cop because of what I saw.
There is absolutely no reason for me to have made it up, and as I said earlier, it was the only time I've ever seen it which is why I was so outraged at the time and protested to the cop.
Exceptional security considerations at the time perhaps, but it happened, and if you think I'm lying or imagined the whole situation then further conversation will probably be fruitless.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: grainofsand

But I DO know having served.

Where as you have not....nor do you have any proof, just your word.

In the immortal words of ATS: Pics or it didn't happen.

Cool, I served in the Royal Navy Reserve for over half a decade, carrying out more than a few periods of full time reserve service. I suppose that doesn't count in this case though.

Were you serving on the ship that was alongside that weekend I make my claims? Ah, that's right, no.
You believe my story is BS but you don't know. We shall have to agree to disagree, as you say, pics or it didn't happen.
I shall remember that whenever I see any unverified claim you make on ATS in the future. That will be amusing, so thank you.

a reply to: grainofsand

Not a problem, as I tend to back up my claims.

US Naval warships personnel do NOT arm the Shore Patrol with fire arms.

EVER.

The potential for a major incident is much too great. Watch standers on the ship (quaterdeck watch and roving security patrol) ARE armed.

I've seen too many instances where an SP had their baton taken from them, and in some cases even used against them.

There are very good reasons why the only sailors that go ashore with actual fire arms are the Navy SEALS......and it ain't because they are watching other sailors get drunk.