If the Earth is flat then why do we have different days and nights?

originally posted by: Helious
Two quick things....

A.) The Earth most certainly is a sphere, it is round.

B.) There are somewhat intelligent models of flat Earth theory from intelligent people if you look hard enough that can explain much of what they believe, the one thing that stumps all of them is eclipses. On that front they can only talk about a (Dark Sun) that is responsible for the eclipse.

The model for your direct question can be found here.

That model and this model (below) made by the same flat-earther might explain the Sun's apparent motion across the sky for a flat Earth. but it doesn't explain why a sunset dips below the horizon.

According to the model in the video below, the sun should just get smaller and smaller up in the sky until it's just a point the disappears into nothing as it moves away from me, bringing in the night. But that's not what happens. What happens is that the sun appears to dip below the horizon.

As usual, these people can develop a model to explain ONE empirical observation, but the models fail when someone attempts to apply that same model to explain every empirical observation.

Sure -- they can explain one observation with one flat-Earth model. However, to explain ALL of the observations of the world and sky around us, only the spherical model fits ALL observations.

However, try using this model to explain why the sun appears to set below the horizon, instead of just getting smaller and smaller as it moves away from me:

a reply to: superman2012I think we are both men of faith, you put your trust in Nasa and their cgi, for you have never been into "space" and taken a look or a snapshot of the Earth...so no matter what you say in reply I have made a flat fact of you.

That is the bottom line.


I have looked on the internet for pictorial proof of a globe but have found nothing but paintings and only one official Nasa photo since their "supposed" trip to the moon in the 60's. Incredible!

I have never seen a rocket launch from the Earth which was then filmed from space as it left the mesosphere by a satellite.
Never.
The live ISS feed never pans out to give a world view, it always gives a zoomed in fish eyed lens image (if it exists at all) again why?? Humanity loves to do selfies don't they?

Perhaps you want to blind me with science and figures, but why not begin with simple observations and build on them.

a reply to: Qwerm

How about a video?

a reply to: Qwerm

Oh my. So sorry. I didn't know you actually believed this.

As I have learned on here, there is no showing someone facts when they don't want to see both sides.

As a simple trick to prove this, I challenge you to do this:

Take a look at pictures that regular people have taken using high altitude balloons and a camera. Usually they will say at what altitude the pictures were taken from.

Take a look at the "not to be trusted" agencies pictures. They also usually say at what altitude the pictures were taken from.

With a wee bit of math you would/should be able to either prove or disprove the flat earth theory. If I have to explain how to do the math, I would need some time....or draw pictures and go with ratios!

Like I said, I don't think this will be done as people tend to get fanatical about their beliefs....especially when it ties in with Religion.

I do understand the concept though, and it is neat. Not correct, but neat.

originally posted by: Qwerm
a reply to: superman2012but why not begin with simple observations and build on them.

You cannot see to the edge of the flat disc by climbing a sky scraper or flying in a plane, which proves at the very least it is not flat but a semi-spherical dome; following then occam's razor it is far more likely that the Earth is a sphere, rather than an upturned soup bowl.

Alternatively, head to the coastline of any continent, now, can you see any other continents? Ships on the ocean? No? There's your simple observation. The Earth's round. Deal with it.

a reply to: Qwerm
I'm also curious, what do you believe is on the other side of us?

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Qwerm
I'm also curious, what do you believe is on the other side of us?

A turtle and 4 elephants.

a reply to: TerryDon79Thank you for the video, I noticed there was no spinning of the earth, and that the clouds were static, and no stars, and no other satellites in orbit, and the fish eye lens was extreme Its pathetic. On each clip the curvature changes lol. As for the visual distance it looks no different to me than when I have been in a plane. and why oh why does it never pan out and show the globe, it drives me nuts. I have watched hours of this #e on youtube pleading for that stark bonkers image of our planet in all its glory............never happened.

again thanks for trying to help, very kind of you.

a reply to: Qwerm

I guess you don't understand how big the planet is and how close the ISS is? As for not spinning? You do know that if you stand outside, over the space of an hour you'd barely notice the sun changing position so you'd barely notice the spin from space in the same amount of time.

As for fish eye? Funny.

So, where's the proof it's flat?

We have night time because the sun get's stuck in the turtles.

The sun doesn't light up the entire surface at once because the disc wobbles.

Also because the sun is actually smaller than the moon, which is behind the cape.

Duh.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Qwerm
I'm also curious, what do you believe is on the other side of us?

I would say that the earth was flat and there is a simple up and down scenario and what is above the dome above the earth is the creators' lair.

a reply to: Qwerm

How about this time lapse from someone in the ISS?

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Qwerm
a reply to: superman2012but why not begin with simple observations and build on them.

You cannot see to the edge of the flat disc by climbing a sky scraper or flying in a plane, which proves at the very least it is not flat but a semi-spherical dome; following then occam's razor it is far more likely that the Earth is a sphere, rather than an upturned soup bowl.

Alternatively, head to the coastline of any continent, now, can you see any other continents? Ships on the ocean? No? There's your simple observation. The Earth's round. Deal with it.

Just gonna post this again and let some flat Earther show me why I'm wrong.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Qwerm

I guess you don't understand how big the planet is and how close the ISS is? As for not spinning? You do know that if you stand outside, over the space of an hour you'd barely notice the sun changing position so you'd barely notice the spin from space in the same amount of time.

As for fish eye? Funny.

So, where's the proof it's flat?

Ah good question!
The answer is there is no proof, there is only faith.
Faith in Nasa globe or faith in a particular interpretation of the Bible flat earth.
But it must come down to faith either way, because there is no proof that you and I can provide. IMO

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Qwerm

I guess you don't understand how big the planet is and how close the ISS is? As for not spinning? You do know that if you stand outside, over the space of an hour you'd barely notice the sun changing position so you'd barely notice the spin from space in the same amount of time.

As for fish eye? Funny.

So, where's the proof it's flat?

Ah good question!

The answer is there is no proof, there is only faith.
Faith in Nasa globe or faith in a particular interpretation of the Bible flat earth.
But it must come down to faith either way, because there is no proof that you and I can provide. IMO

Well, no. You're very wrong.

We can provide proof and math to prove a spherical earth.

You can provide nothing, bar ignoring evidence, to prove a flat earth.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Qwerm

I guess you don't understand how big the planet is and how close the ISS is? As for not spinning? You do know that if you stand outside, over the space of an hour you'd barely notice the sun changing position so you'd barely notice the spin from space in the same amount of time.

As for fish eye? Funny.

So, where's the proof it's flat?

Ah good question!

The answer is there is no proof, there is only faith.
Faith in Nasa globe or faith in a particular interpretation of the Bible flat earth.
But it must come down to faith either way, because there is no proof that you and I can provide. IMO

Well, no. You're very wrong.

We can provide proof and math to prove a spherical earth.

You can provide nothing, bar ignoring evidence, to prove a flat earth.

If it is a matter of proof then it should be very easy to do, I don't think you need to give equations and math.
Just provide me with 50 photos of the earth from space, that are not photoshopped from the 1 single image that Nasa provided in the 60's, this should be easy because we have hundreds of satellites in space photographing mars and the moon and everything else, and 50+ years to do so.

originally posted by: Qwerm
If it is a matter of proof then it should be very easy to do, I don't think you need to give equations and math.
Just provide me with 50 photos of the earth from space, that are not photoshopped from the 1 single image that Nasa provided in the 60's, this should be easy because we have hundreds of satellites in space photographing mars and the moon and everything else, and 50+ years to do so.

Were my simple observations too simple? Is that why we needed to move the goal line?

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Qwerm

I guess you don't understand how big the planet is and how close the ISS is? As for not spinning? You do know that if you stand outside, over the space of an hour you'd barely notice the sun changing position so you'd barely notice the spin from space in the same amount of time.

As for fish eye? Funny.

So, where's the proof it's flat?

Ah good question!

The answer is there is no proof, there is only faith.
Faith in Nasa globe or faith in a particular interpretation of the Bible flat earth.
But it must come down to faith either way, because there is no proof that you and I can provide. IMO

Well, no. You're very wrong.

We can provide proof and math to prove a spherical earth.

You can provide nothing, bar ignoring evidence, to prove a flat earth.

If it is a matter of proof then it should be very easy to do, I don't think you need to give equations and math.
Just provide me with 50 photos of the earth from space, that are not photoshopped from the 1 single image that Nasa provided in the 60's, this should be easy because we have hundreds of satellites in space photographing mars and the moon and everything else, and 50+ years to do so.

You mean like the videos I've already supplied? Or the other photos throughout the same threads on the site?

Yet how much proof have you provided? 1. And that proved it wasn't flat too.

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Qwerm
I'm also curious, what do you believe is on the other side of us?

I would say that the earth was flat and there is a simple up and down scenario and what is above the dome above the earth is the creators' lair.

Why are there no pictures of the edge of the Earth from the flat earthers proving all science and rational, critical thought wrong?

There are so many flaws in the flat earth theory that everyone who ignores it either can't explain or just completely disregard.

I get that when you see a picture of the Earth from space (whether you believe it is doctored or not) it appears to be flat. That is how pictures work. I understand that it looks like a flat disc, but what about everything else!?

Are you trolling us!? Are you from the past as a time traveller!?

No scholar has believed the Earth was flat. Not Romans, not Columbus era, not anyone.