The price of Trumps wall

a reply to: KEACHI

Ok, I'll let the kids have fun...carry on

I actually noticed my error before you replied and deleted my post, but I guess you didn't see that.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier if Mexico was forced to make all their citizens over the age of 18 wear shock collars? Trump can make sure every Mexican would have to pay for their own collar! Shock the hell out of illegal aliens trying to cross the border! Trump could hire a designer to make them so they look cool for the guys and elegant for the women.

That would stop the U.S. from building a hideous concrete wall to look at! (I hope Trump doesn't see this post, he may like this idea).

a reply to: Sremmos80

NAFTA could be Repealed in a Heartbeat , you Underestimate the Power of WE THE PEOPLE and a Strong Presence that would Truly Represent them in the Oval Office .

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Mexico is going to tell us to fly a kite and get our factories out of Mexico if we don't like it. It is funny how many forget who was the real winner of NAFTA. It allowed our corps to outsource the jobs to make more money and put an end to the nationalization that was going on down there. We are not the only side with leverage.

This is a good thing. These companies can then bring these jobs back to the US where they belong. All globalism has done is raise the standard of living for these third world toilet countries while killing middle class jobs here in America. You libs should be supporting this or is it just talk?

a reply to: amicktd

Honest mistake, but look man. Even if it's $50billion. That's half the estimate illeagals cost our country in one year!

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz

Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals

But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth

I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....

The point was that the Wall won't work, so the illegals will still come and we will still be paying for them and the wall.

Right.
So now that the cost argument has been settled, move to another excuse.

Border walls work very very well, in Egypt or Israel for example.

But for liberals, it is never about facts

I'm not a liberal, but I'll play. So you use the it worked in another country argument, but when others point out Socialism working in other countries it's not a valid argument? I guess if it fits your agenda then it works, if not then it won't work. I think facts is the last thing you are looking for.

What countries does socialism work in?

Vs, how many has it failed in the end?

Hint-all of them have failed miserably in pretty short order, as in a couple generations at best.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Ya not so sure about that, it isn't just what the US says goes. Canada is part of that deal as well.

I also disagree that Trump will really represent you since he is a guy that outsources jobs thanks to the trade deals he talks down, but hey if you want to ignore that than go nuts.

a reply to: Sargeras

Let me guess, you are going to talk about stalin, mao and other fascist and then compare it to socialism?

What countries have tried it and failed miserably?

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Trump looking outside his wall...

*i can't wait until one of them Mexicans step into that water!!

a reply to: Thecakeisalie


I told you the Wall idea was crazy.

We don't need walls. We need libertarian policies.

LOL

That was absolutely terrible math. I work in construction, install pre cast concrete structures, install fence, pour concrete as well.

Bricks?!?!? I spit my drink out on my computer from laughter. One of the ATS backgrounds is an actual wall, made of concrete.

Do we have the labor?...there are plenty of idle US troops. They could be stationed on the border instead of their current bases. Also there is a US army corps of Engineers.

As for grabbing the horror of deporting illegals from their loved ones. Do you people cry when someone burglar or other criminal is tore away from their family? and monetary cost bankrupt their family?
Illegals took the risk, they knew the consequences. making them sound like hapless children who didn't know any better and deserve no blame for their crime is pathetic and possibly racist.

Lastly there is nothing wrong with comparing israel's wall and the proposed one.
8 million people and a 400 mile wall. .00005 miles per person, 3.1 inches per person
300 million us citizens(318m total) and 1950 mile wall. .0000065 miles per citizen, .4 inches per person

a reply to: Sremmos80

" I also disagree that Trump will really represent you since he is a guy that outsources jobs thanks to the trade deals he talks down, but hey if you want to ignore that than go nuts. "

Under the Bush and Obama administrations , the Outsourcing of U.S. Jobs was a Direct Result of Governmental Laws and Policies . Businesses have to Earn Profits to Stay in Business , the Political Climate Dictates how they can accomplish that . Maybe you should go read the Book Economics 101 before you go talking about things you Obviously don't Comprehend .

a reply to: jellyrev

LOL

Nice post, I choked on my drink when I saw the math and the cost!!!

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I doubt you read the book you are telling me to read, but hey whatever. If you really think outsourcing only started under Bush and Obama then you don't have to to tell me what I don't comprehend. Maybe you should read a book about the history of Latin America. Born in Blood and Fire is a good one.
I never said they don't need to make profits, just said they want those profits to be as much as possible and paying people less is the best way to do that.
Also never said anything about that, what I said was that Trump has taken advantage of the ability to outsource, so I don't trust that he will turn around and screw all his buddies in the biz.

originally posted by: KEACHI
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Boarder 1954 miles,

High fence (12' tall) with electrical wire and necessary solar panels and batteries costs approximately $175/linear foot, installed. Build 2 of them 100yds apart.

That is 1954miles x $175 = 10,317,120' x $175 =
$1,804,496,000

X2 = $3,608,992,000 TOTAL.

Anyone gets between the fences shoot to kill. Problem solved. Just one state Arizona spends more than that in two years taking care of illeagal immigrants.

**SNIP**

Why pay to watch for people going between the fences? That's a lot of manpower to move up and down the fence, watch for breaches, then moving people, the roads to move them, soldiers to shoot. Lets just put a mine field between them.

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz

Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals

But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth

I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....

The point was that the Wall won't work, so the illegals will still come and we will still be paying for them and the wall.

Right.
So now that the cost argument has been settled, move to another excuse.

Border walls work very very well, in Egypt or Israel for example.

But for liberals, it is never about facts

I'm not a liberal, but I'll play. So you use the it worked in another country argument, but when others point out Socialism working in other countries it's not a valid argument? I guess if it fits your agenda then it works, if not then it won't work. I think facts is the last thing you are looking for.

No
Weak attempt at strawman - socialism has never worked anywhere

Again, stick to facts

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz

Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals

But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth

I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....

The point was that the Wall won't work, so the illegals will still come and we will still be paying for them and the wall.

Right.
So now that the cost argument has been settled, move to another excuse.

Border walls work very very well, in Egypt or Israel for example.

But for liberals, it is never about facts

I'm not a liberal, but I'll play. So you use the it worked in another country argument, but when others point out Socialism working in other countries it's not a valid argument? I guess if it fits your agenda then it works, if not then it won't work. I think facts is the last thing you are looking for.

No
Weak attempt at strawman - socialism has never worked anywhere

Again, stick to facts

It doesn't matter how much the thing will cost. He should build it 100 feet high and run it around the whole country. He can't have any undesirables arrive on his shores. By my estimation, it will take 500 years to build an require about 1,000,000 foreign migrant workers to do it. They perform their tasks dutifully for far less than the citizens of the USA Oh, wait a minute...

a reply to: Thecakeisalie


Nah, that's the govt estimate and did you add in cost overruns and screw ups?
Letting them do it now, it would take 1500yrs.

The real cost will only be about 15 bil, tops.

It doesn't have to be that long either. Trained samurai warrior gorillas and 1,000,000 volts in a couple fences will keep people on both sides, far away.