Donald Trump happened because the Political system is so CORRUPT

It's funny, you hear people on TV saying Trump hijacked the election or it's a hostile takeover as if Trump just happened in a vacuum. The only reason Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are so popular is because people know that the Political system is corrupt to the core.

Year after year Politicians promise to fix this or that and they get to Washington and do nothing.

There's no way Trump would even be heard or Bernie Sanders would even draw crowds if Obama has done this great job. The GOP has shoved people like McCain and Romney down the throat of the party and they're suprised people don't want to listen to them anymore?

People know that Politicians serve their donors not the voters. It's because the donors get them elected. Today, especially with the advance in predictive analytics, Politicians know with enough money they can easily get elected. So they get into office and then do things to favor thos donors even if it isn't good for the people of the Country.

I actually think it's a good thing. A little anarchy is needed to shake up the corrupt Political system.

Trump ran against Gov. Bush, Jindal, Christie, Perry, Huckabee, Kasich and Gilmore. Senator's Graham, Santorum, Paul, Rubio and Cruz. The guy has been a Politician for less than a year and he's beating guys who are career Politicians.

So it shouldn't be about stopping Trump, the real question is why does Trump need to be stopped. Why is he even in this position in the 1st place. He couldn't be in this position if people were happy with Obama and the current Political system.

No matter what happens, I think this is very good because it exposes how corrupt the system is. The donor and political class is so desperate to hold onto their power because they know the control Politicians.

I'm not sure Trump will win or get the nomination because he has some serious money and power against him.

You have organized protests funded by Soros and Ayers and their interests is also aligned with big money donors on the right. You had Karl Rove and neocon Bill Kristol meeting with tech industry giants about stopping Trump. You have MSNBC, Fox News and CNN out to stop Trump. Like I said, the system is corrupt to the core.

They're now talking about John Kasich whose for Common Core, unfair trade, Amnesty and the guy worked at CORRUPT Lehman Brothers as an Executive in the Banking Division from 2001-2008. Lehman Brothers is the biggest bankruptcy in the history of the Country and was the worst of the worse during the economic collapse. There's no way he could get elected. Lehman Brothers will be seen as a million times worse than Bain was for Romney.

These are the candidates the establishment wants to push onto everyone. If Kasich is the nominee these images will be in every democrat ad.



Like I said, a little anarchy is needed to take down this corrupt political system but I think Trump will eventually be overwhelmed with so many enemies that are powerful and have tons of money.

Donald Trump also has ties to George Soros, as well as the Clinton foundation.

In my humble opinion, he's no different than the establishment we already have.

With that said, Trump has undoubtedly cast a light unto the sleeping masses who are beginning to see the corruption... although I don't believe they are seeing how deep the corruption truly is.

From recruiting and granting Nazi scientists amnesty, to proposing murdering American citizens to invade Cuba I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want to cast their vote for a system such as this.

a reply to: neoholographic

Donald Trump is and has been part of the problem with Washington for years. He has close ties to all the big politicians. He funneled in money to both the Romney and McCain campaigns, two Republican establishment candidates. Has a close friendship with the Clintons, even had them at his wedding. He is the establishment.

a reply to: neoholographic

Just how corrupt you'll see tommorrow it will be fixed so Trump doesn't win anything,as for being establishment,o yes as a businessmen the establishment took his money but hes not a member if you haven't deduced that by now then you probably shouldn't vote for him nor anyone else.

originally posted by: neoholographic
It's funny, you hear people on TV saying Trump hijacked the election or it's a hostile takeover as if Trump just happened in a vacuum. The only reason Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are so popular is because people know that the Political system is corrupt to the core.

Year after year Politicians promise to fix this or that and they get to Washington and do nothing.

There's no way Trump would even be heard or Bernie Sanders would even draw crowds if Obama has done this great job. The GOP has shoved people like McCain and Romney down the throat of the party and they're suprised people don't want to listen to them anymore?

I know my opinion and take are not popular, oh well, but I think it's ridiculous to believe that either Trump or Sanders are outsiders. They are running as candidates for the republican and democratic parties.

When people insist that what either of these two candidates speak is truth, I cannot help but scoff. It's as if people believe that the two 'political outsiders' running are the only ones that have advisors who noticed Establishment candidates are not desirable in this political climate.

Obama ran as an outsider -- he knew that was an advantageous image to adopt -- the 'Establishment' KNOWS THIS, TOO.

If TPTB are as corrupt as many ATSers claim (and I agree) then they sure aren't going to advertise who their Chosen One is or who their shiIIs are. They are going to make sure people wrongly believe they know what's going on.

Trump's record (and it does go back FAR, to the 2000 election and his destruction of the Reform Party with the help of Jesse Ventura) speaks to the fact that he is a shiII. And Bernie's $18 trillion spending plan and plan to give the government unprecedented power speak to the fact that the 'Establishment' must love him, despite his profession to be anti-Establishment.

Hillary's email scandal is working in Bernie's favor -- that's nothing to sneeze at. Trump's alienation of every minority voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at either. Remember, Bush only won in 2000 because of 537 votes in Florida. The hispanic population has grown by 50% since then in Florida. It was no surprise to me that he made a polarizing policy on immigration his number one issue -- and that he cannot communicate it without being completely crass...err...un-PC.

I just don't believe that Bernie and Trump are the only ones who noticed that the Voters are tired of the 'Establishment.' Data is not a valuable commodity because it has no value in understanding the political atmosphere. Political scientists don't get degrees at Harvard to not scheme and script everything when it comes to campaigning. There's a lot at stake. The bread and butter of every democrat and republican in government is at stake and I am certain they protect it together. If an 'Establishment' has subverted the U.S. government and political system, the first thing they did was infiltrate BOTH parties. The evidence of the past several decades says that's happened.

Believe nothing that comes out of any democrat's or republican's mouth. That includes -- especially -- Trump and Sanders.

Logic dictates that Sanders is The Chosen One and Hillary and Trump will deliver him. They will both profit from his big spending and big government. I've been around long enough to not believe anything coming from the two major parties.

a reply to: neoholographic

I read this on Zero Hedge yesterday, I find it highly applicable.

"The *establishment*, composed of journos, BS-Vending talking heads with well-formulated verbs, bureaucrato-cronies, lobbyists-in training, New Yorker-reading semi-intellectuals, image-conscious empty suits, Washington rent-seekers and other "well thinking" members of the vocal elites are not getting the point about what is happening and the sterility of their arguments."

To which he appended the following 17 perfectly succinct words:

"People are not voting for Trump (or Sanders). People are just voting, finally, to destroy the establishment."

-Philosopher Nassim Taleb

ZeroHedge.com

Some people have short memories. You forget that Trump has already run for President before, like in 2000. And at one of the debates, he openly admitted to previously financing candidates from both major parties. He's literally the billionaire businessman who's run for President before, financed politicians to get favorable laws, and is friends with major politicians and businessmen all over the word. Yet somehow people still believe he's an outsider? LOL!

And let's not forget events like this:
Yeah, he's playing golf with Clinton (Democrat), Giuliani (Republican), and Bloomberg (who's been a Dem, Repub, and Independent just in the last 20 years). Yet somehow we're supposed to believe billionaires like him have nothing to do with the corruption in this country?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I remember! Two comments above this I mentioned it.

Thank you for the visual aid, too,

originally posted by: M4nWithNoN4me
a reply to: neoholographic

I read this on ZeroHedge.com yesterday, I find it highly applicable.

"The *establishment*, composed of journos, BS-Vending talking heads with well-formulated verbs, bureaucrato-cronies, lobbyists-in training, New Yorker-reading semi-intellectuals, image-conscious empty suits, Washington rent-seekers and other "well thinking" members of the vocal elites are not getting the point about what is happening and the sterility of their arguments."

To which he appended the following 17 perfectly succinct words:

"People are not voting for Trump (or Sanders). People are just voting, finally, to destroy the establishment.

-Philosopher Nassim Taleb


ZeroHedge.com

The 'Establishment' is represented by our corrupt Congress. They do the spending. It really doesn't matter who they represent but you better believe it includes wealthy people on a globally powerful scale and not the yahoos you mentioned.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Sorry. In my haste, I overlooked the other comments (basically, I responded to the OP without reading anything else). Glad that some people aren't falling for the new narratives.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Sorry. In my haste, I overlooked the other comments (basically, I responded to the OP without reading anything else). Glad that some people aren't falling for the new narratives.

I'm just glad someone else has looked at Trump's record.

a reply to: neoholographic


Billionaire George Soros funds $15M effort to stop Trump, mobilize Latinos

He has quite an array of money and power against him. And like you said, why is Trump where he is? That says a lot and is the elephant in the room. The establishment and globalists know they are in huge trouble should Trump win and are doing everything in the book of dirty tricks to stop him. I think it is more revealing and damaging to the establishment that they are seen so desperate to keep their plans of destruction moving down the tracks. They sure have turned this election cycle into a circus of epic proportions. And the thing is they keep saying all these terrible things that should knock him out and it just gets him more supporters, even amongst actors, minorities, etc. It is truly amazing and I am enjoying the bonfire being made out of the establishment and all the crybabies.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

While Trump plays golf and rubs elbows with other elites and global players, he doesn't appear to be bought off by, in the pocket of, or otherwise under the control of any of them, which makes him dangerous and unpredictable. And while Sanders's message has been consistent and it's most definitely not what the big banks/corps/donors want to hear, he's made his way as a politician within the establishment.

It may be more accurate to say the people are voting for whatever seems to run most profoundly against the grain of the status quo, that being another dose of all kinds of hollow campaign promises followed by more of the same damn thing. It's unlikely, if not impossible, that voting for a single presidential candidate could, in any meaningful way, alter each of our own situations for the better. It would be most effective for everyone, all at once, to start holding our elected officials accountable at a local/county/state level rather than feeling like the presidential cycle holds so much importance... the position that is most manipulated and impotent is made out by the media to be the only one that matters. And the show goes merrily along.

But the bulk of the people are unsatisfied, and are more angry and restless all the time- if voting doesn't change things, they'll find something that does.

Makes me nervous. Lots of the sheep aren't following the path that was marked out, and a shock may be coming soon, something to cattle prod them back in line before we can wander too far afield.

originally posted by: M4nWithNoN4me
a reply to: MotherMayEye

While Trump plays golf and rubs elbows with other elites and global players, he doesn't appear to be bought off by, in the pocket of, or otherwise under the control of any of them, which makes him dangerous and unpredictable. And while Sanders's message has been consistent and it's most definitely not what the big banks/corps/donors want to hear, he's made his way as a politician within the establishment.

It may be more accurate to say the people are voting for whatever seems to run most profoundly against the grain of the status quo, that being another dose of all kinds of hollow campaign promises followed by more of the same damn thing. It's unlikely, if not impossible, that voting for a single presidential candidate could, in any meaningful way, alter each of our own situations for the better. It would be most effective for everyone, all at once, to start holding our elected officials accountable at a local/county/state level rather than feeling like the presidential cycle holds so much importance... the position that is most manipulated and impotent is made out by the media to be the only one that matters. And the show goes merrily along.

But the bulk of the people are unsatisfied, and are more angry and restless all the time- if voting doesn't change things, they'll find something that does.

Makes me nervous. Lots of the sheep aren't following the path that was marked out, and a shock may be coming soon, something to cattle prod them back in line before we can wander too far afield.

I know people are sick of the Establishment. I am, too. But the two parties represent the Establishment.

I disagree that a path has been marked for Voters to see. The path has been obfuscated in as much as it can be. Why would the path of lying bast*rds be marked for us all to see?

I also cannot agree with this: "And while Sanders's message has been consistent and it's most definitely not what the big banks/corps/donors want to hear."

Why wouldn't they want to hear it? Bigger taxes on anybody means bigger government and more power in their hands. Couple that with his HUGE spending plan and the wealthy will just get wealthier. Congress always diverts their spending to the wealthy.

Believe it or not, there is actually one brand of socialism that serves the elite alone, not the people: Fabian Socialism. And they operate by infiltration and through covert means. They make changes slowly -- one issue at a time -- rather than by violent revolution.

The evidence says that is exactly what we see going on.

a reply to: neoholographic

Great post. Well written and spot on.

I have decided after much thought to vote for Trump tomorrow. Not because I want him to be my President, but because I don't want the political parties to continue to think they can take people for granted.

I literally don't want to vote for any of these candidates, but in a very real sense, Trump is the only candidate I can vote for that will have any meaning and possibly make a difference.

originally posted by: M4nWithNoN4me
a reply to: MotherMayEye

While Trump plays golf and rubs elbows with other elites and global players, he doesn't appear to be bought off by, in the pocket of, or otherwise under the control of any of them, which makes him dangerous and unpredictable.

That's because he's the one buying politicians off lol. Think about that for a second. Which is worse, the politician who's for sale to the highest bidder or the bidders who purchase those politicians? Those sellout politicians simply follow the orders of their Trump-like donors and sponsors. You blame the puppet when the puppeteers have the real power.

It's like the people who bash corporations. That's dumb because corporations simply exist to make money for their main owners & investors. Even if a corporation fails today, it means nothing if the people involved just move over to another company. Those owners and major investors are the real problems because they're the ones calling the shots. And those same super investors own controlling stocks in many different companies across many different industries. Then they turn around and buy off politicians to get favorable laws passed (sound familiar?).

That's the group that Trump and Bloomberg are in. They're both billionaire businessmen who use whatever political party serves their immediate needs. Even if we purge all of their political puppets right now, the puppeteers will always be able to purchase new puppets. And that won't change as long as there are people who value money over integrity or value personal wants over community needs.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: M4nWithNoN4me
a reply to: MotherMayEye

While Trump plays golf and rubs elbows with other elites and global players, he doesn't appear to be bought off by, in the pocket of, or otherwise under the control of any of them, which makes him dangerous and unpredictable.

That's because he's the one buying politicians off lol. Think about that for a second. Which is worse, the politician who's for sale to the highest bidder or the bidders who purchase those politicians? Those sellout politicians simply follow the orders of their Trump-like donors and sponsors. You blame the puppet when the puppeteers have the real power.

It's like the people who bash corporations. That's dumb because corporations simply exist to make money for their main owners & investors. Even if a corporation fails today, it means nothing if the people involved just move over to another company. Those owners and major investors are the real problems because they're the ones calling the shots. And those same super investors own controlling stocks in many different companies across many different industries. Then they turn around and buy off politicians to get favorable laws passed (sound familiar?).

That's the group that Trump and Bloomberg are in. They're both billionaire businessmen who use whatever political party serves their immediate needs. Even if we purge all of their political puppets right now, the puppeteers will always be able to purchase new puppets. And that won't change as long as there are people who value money over integrity or value personal wants over community needs.

Then the question becomes why are they so scared of Trump if they can buy off the politicians and judges? Trump would be locked in without being able to do much anyway. He can't unilaterally do much at all. We see all of what Obama tried and was rebuffed by the courts and politicians that opposed him. And half were on his side. With Trump it appears the whole establishment is against him. Hell, even agencies in government have grown balls now to say we are not going to follow this law or that regulation. How the hell can they get away with that?

So, why doesn't Soros just run for Democratic office or Bloomberg. No, this is a war of establishment against the PEOPLE's choice mainly. There was all kinds of establishment candidates this time. Trump was thought to be the joke of the the establishment, the media, and anyone that had a voice. But, those pesky voters have launched Trump where he is, not his money or anything.

So, the establishment and media have decided to hell with what the people want. That is more concerning than the Trump issue because even if he did get all the way in office without being assassinated or something, he probably wouldn't be able to do much. This is magnifying the problem we all face as a government by the people. The government and tptb don't give a damn what the people want and they all are trying to oppose the people disguised as opposing Trump. If this was going on against someone like Obama, holy hell would break out. We would have riots in all the cities from the left. Who do they think they are to oppose peoples choice?

I think he will be stopped by the Electoral College. Their whole purpose was put in place to stop something like this from happening, where the voters choose a nominee that is opposed by the establishment because they rightly knew the voting masses are a bunch of dangerous uneducated animals that may make terrible decisions for the country. Regardless of what I think, that is how I see this issue shaping up.

a reply to: spirit_horse

I don't believe the Establishment is against Trump for a minute. All of his media coverage and all of the attention he has gotten from the GOP -- while *ahem* negative -- has done nothing but serve his image as an anti-establishment candidate who is "un-PC," cannot be bought, and is making the Establishment nervous.

That image made its way around the internet and blogosphere in about 24 hours. That tells me it was complete astroturf.

Again, I scoff at the idea he is an actual outsider. He's just adopted the image and has been successful in convincing people. It's scary on the scariest of Establishment-plan type levels.

a reply to: spirit_horse

Because Trump has insulted major demographics up and down the spectrum. His rhetoric has been so extreme that he's become toxic to the Republican brand. That type of rhetoric always works w/the extreme right wing Republican base, but it also fails hard in the general election. Even Bush had to run as a "compassionate conservative" to barely eek out wins in the general election. And just look at how moderate he had to present himself to get that far:

Republican establishment candidates are terrified of the down-ticket repercussions of a Trump nomination. And they've said that very thing. In case you haven't noticed, Latino/Hispanic Americans are now the nation's largest demographic. And the Republican Party has been trying to win them over because they need Hispanic votes in the general election. Trump is singlehandedly destroying that to such an extent that Republicans in Hispanic-heavy districts won't want to be on the same ticket as him. And that doesn't even touch on the other demographics he's deliberately attacked and alienated.

And for the record, Bloomberg is mulling an independent run this very election cycle lol. There have even been stories about that just this last 2 months or so. And the media's been giving Trump more coverage than almost every other candidate combined. It's laughable to say the media is against him when they give him so much publicity. Even left wing sites are full of Trump articles. If you want to know what it means to have media be "against" a candidate, go look at the nonexistent coverage for the Green Party & Libertarian Party's potential candidates lol. Even the Democrat Martin O'Malley got virtually no coverage before he dropped out, and he was a former governor.

Edit to Add: Our great friend Krazysh0t had a good thread that goes into Trump's damaging effect even more.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: neoholographic

Great post. Well written and spot on.

I have decided after much thought to vote for Trump tomorrow. Not because I want him to be my President, but because I don't want the political parties to continue to think they can take people for granted.

I literally don't want to vote for any of these candidates, but in a very real sense, Trump is the only candidate I can vote for that will have any meaning and possibly make a difference.

Great post!

A vote for Trump is a vote against the establishment. There's a reason why left wing billionaire's like Soros to right wing hedge fund billionaire's are going after Trump.

This will be a shock to the establishment and it will beging to cut away at the CORRUPT establishment!

I'm in Ohio and I'm voting Trump also!