Russia, Syria using refugees to overhelm EU

Russia and Mr Assad, General Breedlove said, are using migration as a weapon to overwhelm European support structures and break European resolve. He cited the use of barrel bombs, which are unguided weapons and have no military value, against civilians in Syria. The only purpose of these indiscriminate attacks is to terrorise Syrian citizens and "get them on the road" and make them problems for other countries, General Breedlove said."

Russia, Syria using refugees to overhelm EU

Looks like the cold war is heating up.

Now that the USA and Britain have maneuvered themselves into a corner by refusing to ally with Russia, they are blaming Russia mainly for the steady flow of immigrants into Europe as a tool to break up the Union.

Clever marketing Mr Breedlove and the lies are quite subtle.

However I'm pretty sure the refugees were pouring out of Syria before Russia got involved and now that Putin is playing bombs away we are seeing progress in the land with many areas being reclaimed by the government.

This article is a wonderful propaganda piece put together by sore losers.

For shame western powers, I used to believe in you. But the more we see of you in Syria, the more your lies are exposed.

a reply to: markosity1973

Full title of article is: Russia, Syria using refugees to overwhelm Europe, says US general

That takes away all credibility for me, why would you even remove a fundamental part of the title?

You realise it detracts from the credibility right?

NVM

Lol syria is behing destroyed daily but its a ploy to destroy europe, good god what a funny thread.

a reply to: markosity1973

Funny how they don't try to explain how Russia convinced Merkel and friends to be so cooperative with getting these refugees in here.

a reply to: markosity1973

Aye what a wonderful piece of propaganda this is!

If there is anyone that is using this current immigration crisis to harm the EU it is non other than the lap dog of NATO known to the world as Erdogan.

Turkish president threatens EU

“We do not have the word ‘idiot’ written on our foreheads. We will be patient but we will do what we have to. Don’t think that the planes and the buses are there for nothing,” Erdoğan said.

Well what can be said of this puppet other than getting caught sending a massive amount of weapons to Lebanon to be used by extremists.

Working with their wonderful ally Saudi Arabia!

Turkey’s involvement in supporting terrorism in Syria means one does not have to make any great leap of faith to see that they would likely be involved in such a plot.
Turkey is essentially, for all intents and purposes, allied with Saudi Arabia when it comes to trying to overthrow Assad, so they too would have motive for wanting Hezbollah out of the picture.

So Angela Merkel is a Putin plant? I'm confused

a reply to: EightTF3

And so you shall remain!

a reply to: markosity1973

Russia and Syria? Russia wasnt even involved in Syria till recently, and Syria is the one under attack.
More like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and ISIS. And the EU government itself, self destructing on its own liberal disconnect from reality. Nevermind the US government arms dealing with the terrorist *cough* rebels.

a reply to: Jonjonj

The whole title would not fit here on ATS. I really don't think the omission if the last three words shrinks it's credibility given that there is a link to the original article..

originally posted by: markosity1973
Now that the USA and Britain have maneuvered themselves into a corner by refusing to ally with Russia, they are blaming Russia mainly for the steady flow of immigrants into Europe as a tool to break up the Union.

Or you could look at it the other way. Russia prevented an early deal to force Assad out, thus made the situation worse.

The real conspiracy here is that Assad is happy to remove his population from Syria. If he wanted them to stay he would not be killing them and supporting Russia's efforts to do the same.

Soon, all those pesky minorities, ne'er-do-wells and people in the way will be killed off, or forced out and Assad can settle back down in his comfy chair. Dictators only care for power, they don't give a toss for the people. Better to rule an empty city, or town, than keep the risk that the people may try to overthrow you again.

This is a policy people like Stalin used. He would be so proud. The mass relocation of people so you can control a place. Crimean Tatars ring a bell, but many others too such as from Kaliningrad, Murmansk and other places.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: markosity1973
Now that the USA and Britain have maneuvered themselves into a corner by refusing to ally with Russia, they are blaming Russia mainly for the steady flow of immigrants into Europe as a tool to break up the Union.

Or you could look at it the other way. Russia prevented an early deal to force Assad out, thus made the situation worse.

And what would Syria look like today? Another Libya? How is that alternative any better?

The real conspiracy here is that Assad is happy to remove his population from Syria. If he wanted them to stay he would not be killing them and supporting Russia's efforts to do the same.

Assad asked Russia, a long time ally for help.

Russia begins airstirkes in Russia after Assad asks for help

Soon, all those pesky minorities, ne'er-do-wells and people in the way will be killed off, or forced out and Assad can settle back down in his comfy chair. Dictators only care for power, they don't give a toss for the people. Better to rule an empty city, or town, than keep the risk that the people may try to overthrow you again.

It was the Sunni Muslim population that started this. They are the ones murdering the minorities. These minorities are the ones that support Assad in this because his secular government protects them from Islamic extremists, it always did.

This is a policy people like Stalin used. He would be so proud. The mass relocation of people so you can control a place. Crimean Tatars ring a bell, but many others too such as from Kaliningrad, Murmansk and other places.

How is bringing ISIS and islamic extremism to the doorstep of Russia going to help them? It will only boil over into Russia itself eventually.

You seem to forget how calm Syria was before the arab spring. Watch the very UN pc clip from Top Gear released just four years ago. Syria was peaceful and happy under the rule of the very man the US wants gone. Take a good look at Palmyra - ISIS has destroyed it now, nothing to do with Assad.

You seem to forget that the alternative is ISIS - which is far far worse that Assad could ever be.

originally posted by: markosity1973

Russia and Mr Assad, General Breedlove said, are using migration as a weapon to overwhelm European support structures and break European resolve. He cited the use of barrel bombs, which are unguided weapons and have no military value, against civilians in Syria. The only purpose of these indiscriminate attacks is to terrorise Syrian citizens and "get them on the road" and make them problems for other countries, General Breedlove said."

Russia, Syria using refugees to overhelm EU

Looks like the cold war is heating up.

Now that the USA and Britain have maneuvered themselves into a corner by refusing to ally with Russia, they are blaming Russia mainly for the steady flow of immigrants into Europe as a tool to break up the Union.

Clever marketing Mr Breedlove and the lies are quite subtle.

However I'm pretty sure the refugees were pouring out of Syria before Russia got involved and now that Putin is playing bombs away we are seeing progress in the land with many areas being reclaimed by the government.

This article is a wonderful propaganda piece put together by sore losers.

For shame western powers, I used to believe in you. But the more we see of you in Syria, the more your lies are exposed.

I agree with the basic premise but for a different reason, this one.

Question is who and why?

Is it because someone wants to swap the populations of Europe for the black Muslim population of the middle east and north Africa?

Why would they want to do this? because it’s just too big a job and take just too long to achieve this goal any other way. Europe is just too solidified into what it has been for the last 500 years to do it by attrition. The best way is to have a wholesale swapping of populations.

How would this be done? well is its someone’s plan to stage a black Muslim invasion of Europe and take the place over by immigration and Muslim birth rate.

Is part of this plan to then let the Muslims destroy Europe through Muslim religion, culture and generally poor economic management and see Europe degenerate into a cesspool of conflict and economic decline?

Might the other half of the plan to offer white Europeans high paying jobs in the former Muslim world to rebuild the place after being bombed back into the stone age and when enough of them have immigrated into the former Muslim countries drop the wages back to former Muslim rates?

In the mean time the Muslims will have evicted the remaining whites out of Europe and therefore they will nowhere to go but to the former Muslim countries?

The result being a reversal of traditional European and Muslim peoples in the respective countries?

The best weapons of war are not always military weapons. Sometimes the best weapons of war are peace and good will initiatives.

originally posted by: markosity1973
And what would Syria look like today? Another Libya? How is that alternative any better?

Well, trying to work out a different future based on decisions that were not made is fraught with danger. However, given that some of the dysfunction in Libya is an overspill from Syria we can argue that both countries troubles have linkage.

That said, the problems in Libya is small in comparison to the problems in Syria, so "yes". If Syria only had the difficulties that Libya experienced post the overthrow of their dictator then the world would be better.

Hard facts.

People killed so far in the Syrian civil war c. 250,000 and rising.
People killed in Libya's civil war c. 30,000.

a reply to: markosity1973

You need to look at your history it started with Pro-democracy protests in March 2011 in the southern city of Deraa after the arrest and torture of some teenagers who painted revolutionary slogans on a school wall. After security forces opened fire on demonstrators, killing several, more took to the streets. Assaad decided using force was the best means to squash the protests. See assad has a problem the ruling party in Syria is a minority and everyone knew it. So for him to maintain power he had to scare people to keep them in line. Only this time had the opposite effect.

Then it acquired sectarian overtones, pitching the country's Sunni majority against the president's Shia Alawite sect, and drawn in regional and world powers namely Saudi Arabia. The Saudis saw this as a way to expand their influence as Sunnis were the majority. This caused Assad to start directly attacking Sunnis in the country not just the ones that took up arms. This is his second biggest mistake third if you count the fact he made promises before it started and backed out of them. So now Sunnis see themselves as being attacked by the Syrian government here cones the US and European mistake. They asked for help to stop the killing and were ignored by the west. So this gave certain sectarian groups the ability to say will protect you and move on in. Problem was once they took control they also brought their religious beliefs. So now we have terrorist groups controlling large sections of Syria.

Enter Russia they desperately need their base in Syria and know that if Assad falls they will be forced to leave the country. So now they are assisting assaad to retake Syria. And Russia is using the same tactics they used in Chechnya. They bombed civilian areas causing them to leave then went in and carpet bombed whatever was still standing. Even went so far as using balistic missiles on Grozny and eventually they begged for peace. They are using the same tactics in Syria attack the civilians get them to leave go in bomb the place and move Assads troops in.Sound plan militarily speaking but humanitarian wise its wrong. All the west can do is complain anything else requires attacking Russia and Putin knows it. So he's free to continue his bombing campaign to remove Sunnis from the country and keep Assad in power.

PS notice I didn't say to destroy Europe or flood them with refugees this is just a consequence same thing happened in Chechnya.

originally posted by: paraphi


Hard facts.

People killed so far in the Syrian civil war c. 250,000 and rising.
People killed in Libya's civil war c. 30,000.

Because ISIS is not winning, we do not know how many more people they would ethnic cleanse.

Any death of civillians in war is unacceptable. ISIS however have started a new urban type of warfare where citizens are used as human shields and fighting is in populated urban areas.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: markosity1973

You need to look at your history it started with Pro-democracy protests in March 2011 in the southern city of Deraa after the arrest and torture of some teenagers who painted revolutionary slogans on a school wall. After security forces opened fire on demonstrators, killing several, more took to the streets. Assaad decided using force was the best means to squash the protests. See assad has a problem the ruling party in Syria is a minority and everyone knew it. So for him to maintain power he had to scare people to keep them in line. Only this time had the opposite effect.


PS notice I didn't say to destroy Europe or flood them with refugees this is just a consequence same thing happened in Chechnya.

Yes, but just as Gadafi reported in Libya, there was a third force involved that stirred the people up. - Al Qaeda in Libya and Al Nusra in Syria.

I'm not defending Assad here, just pointing out that there was a major outside destabilising force that got things going. Assad was starting reforms, they just did not happen quick enough and Russia has repeatedly said that they are not wed to the idea that Assad must stay once the war is over.

a reply to: markosity1973

You won't find me disagreeing with your sentiments here.

However, if Syria "has been another Libya" there would have been less mayhem and death and misery. The statistics and the timings show this to be true. Assad would have been removed, the civil war would not have been so prolonged and ISIS would never have been able to become the force it became.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: markosity1973

You won't find me disagreeing with your sentiments here.

However, if Syria "has been another Libya" there would have been less mayhem and death and misery. The statistics and the timings show this to be true. Assad would have been removed, the civil war would not have been so prolonged and ISIS would never have been able to become the force it became.

The major difference between Syria and Libya is ISIS. I like to hope that is was not a planned move, but it was the USA and friends who unwittingly helped ISIS become the scourge it is by supplying arms to the wrong people. If ISIS or other terror groups were not involved, I would agree with you that the situation in Syria is a popular uprising against their leader in which case Assad would have some fast talking to do.



I would also point out that Assad does care about civilians, he has just made the following statement, offering full amnesty to any rebels who lay down their arms;

"We will play our part to make the whole thing work," Mr Assad said.

"Just ... give up your armament, whether you want to join the political process or [are] not interested about the political process, you don't have any political agenda, it doesn't matter.

"The most important thing for me, legally and constitutionally ... [is] that you're not allowed, as a citizen, to hold machine guns and hurt people or properties.

"This is the only thing that we ask. We don't ask for anything. As I said, we give them full amnesty."

www.abc.net.au...

a reply to: markosity1973

You seem to forget that the alternative is ISIS - which is far far worse that Assad could ever be.

Actually they aren't...

For Every Syrian That ISIS Kills, Bashar Assad Kills Seven More
The Syrian government's forces are responsible for more than three-quarters of civilian deaths in Syria this year

www.vocativ.com...

Neither of the two options they have are good for the Syrian people.



That whole episode was great.

a reply to: markosity1973

I would also point out that Assad does care about civilians,

Barrel bombs aren't exactly a sign of him caring for civilians.

he has just made the following statement, offering full amnesty to any rebels who lay down their arms;

And I imagine the only way they lay down their arms is when Assad leaves office, as that is the reason they are fighting in the first place...they want him gone.