Billions in Possible Fraudulent Obamacare Payments

a reply to: xuenchen

I'm not twisting anything.

I quoted from the GAO report that your thread is based upon.

Again ... is there any fraud that was discovered by the GAO audit?

Because, as linked, the GAO audit states that there is a potential problem, they made recommendations to avoid those potential problems, and HHS is implementing those recommendations ...

So, rather than "a failure of Obamacare" as touted ... this seems a lot like a story of "problem found, problem resolved" ...

that is ... unless you can link to actual fraud in the current GAO report that your source linked to?

Did you see that these stated POSSIBLE problems have all been addressed and are being corrected by HHS?

Doesn't that make you happy at all?

a reply to: xuenchen

Obama Care is the biggest scam of all time.

My understanding is the insurance companies help write Obama Care with members of Congress. It was written to only benefit the insurance companies and no one else. It's all about making more money, raising Premiums and denying many prescriptions to policies holders. The more these insurance companies can deny paying certain cost the more money they make.

Millions of hard working Americans cannot afford Obama Care, it is too expensive.

I am not surprised by any of this, I expected this to happen.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Ummm...read the report...?
Now why on all of Gods green (well...white outside my window)...(snow not privilege)... Earth would I read some report penned by people on the take...about people on the take...it makes no sense...

Gryph...(can I call you Gryph...?)...puhlease give me more credit than that...
Somehow that old phrase about rocket science...seems to fit in right about here...
Fill in the blanks for me...It doesn't take a ______ _________ to realize that gubment programs are filled with corruption and fraud...All it takes is for someone to set aside their partisan nature for just a tiny while and...voila...epiphany strikes like an asp...

Have no fear...you can always drag that old motheaten partisan nature back on like an overcoat if you wish...it's all good...

Anyhow...have a nice evening...we're having Turkey and dumplings if you'd like some...your more than welcome to share in our bounty...good stuff...


YouSir

a reply to: Informer1958

The best part of the scam is the high deductibles.

The "subsidies" on the policies are just the initial "come on" lure.

It's a classic.

The deductibles are the hidden "Death Panel".

a reply to: YouSir

So ... No proof of anything alleged then?

Yes, that squares with my findings as well.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Ummm...allegedly...
So...can we expect you for dinner...?



YouSir

originally posted by: Gryphon66

So, rather than "a failure of Obamacare" as touted ... this seems a lot like a story of "problem found, problem resolved" ...

Rhetoric on the part of HHS. Phony Baloney.

HHS said it will outline its new verification rules on HealthCare.gov and ratchet up language ...
www.washingtontimes.com...

Problem is not solved until all of the fraudulent
money paid out by the Government and States is recovered!

No recovery, no fix!

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: Gryphon66

So, rather than "a failure of Obamacare" as touted ... this seems a lot like a story of "problem found, problem resolved" ...

Rhetoric on the part of HHS. Problem is not solved until all of the fraudulent
money paid out by the Government and States is recovered!

No recovery, no fix!

Okay. Perhaps you can answer the question: where in the GAO report linked is there a finding of fraud?

Just cite the report. It's linked several times above.

If not, there is no fraud, issues existed, were pointed out by GAO, and were followed by HHS.

Is this so difficult? Where's the fraud? Where's the proof?

a reply to: Informer1958

Obama Care is the biggest scam of all time.

It is since medicaid was created specifically for those who couldn't get insurance.

Medicaid in the United States is a social health care program for families and individuals with low income and limited resources. The Health Insurance Association of America describes Medicaid as a "government insurance program for persons of all ages whose income and resources are insufficient to pay for health care".[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Which wasn't enough for them so the EMTLA was created:

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Then came along the SCAM the ACA.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), commonly called the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or, colloquially, Obamacare, is a United States federal statute signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. Together with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act amendment, it represents the most significant regulatory overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965. Under the act, hospitals and primary physicians would transform their practices financially, technologically and clinically to drive better health outcomes, lower costs and improve their methods of distribution and accessibility.

en.wikipedia.org...

Under medicaid, and the EMTLA people already had access to healthcare.

What the ACA did was rob from the 'rich' and give to the 'poor' supposedly to 'give' people that 'didn't' have access to healthcare coverage.

When in fact under two already existing government programs.

THEY DID.

a reply to: Gryphon66

...bout 431,000 applications from the 2014 enrollment period still had unresolved inconsistencies as of April 2015, with about $1.7 billion in federal subsidies at stake, according to the GAO’s analysis of CMS data. Moreover, CMS did not resolve Social Security number inconsistencies for about 35,000 applications or questions about incarceration for about 22,000 applicants. Those 57,000 applications in question involved subsidies totaling $222 million.

more:

During an undercover probe by GAO in 2014, investigators using fictitious names and information obtained a total of about $30,000 in annual advance premium tax credits and other benefits from federal insurance market places, either online or by phone. “The fictitious enrollees maintained subsidized coverage throughout 2014, even though GAO sent fictitious documents, or no documents, to resolve application inconsistencies,” the report states.

That humiliating sting operation was first reported in July 2014 in a preliminary report issued by the Government Accountability Office

And yet nothing ...nothing has been done.

A fantastic example of how those Socialistic folks in power now don't give
a rip if rampant fraud abounds. Or, is this their idea of empowering and
enriching lives.

*rolls eyes*






www.thefiscaltimes.com...

a reply to: xuenchen

The best part of the scam is the high deductibles.

Ah, your right, I forgot about the high deductibles. Blue collar workers cannot afford that. The deal is, don't get ill.

a reply to: burntheships

Right. The GOA report points out inconsistencies with the indentifcation of enrollees.

It does not point out fraud.

It is not referencing fraud.

Further the GAO made suggestions and HHS followed them.

I would hazard that you're opposed to the ACA (for the record, I was as well) and so anything short of repeal is not going to "be enough" in your estimation.

I am not addressing that opinion.

I am addressing, straightforwardly the fact that there is no finding of fraud reported in the GAO audit.

a reply to: Gryphon66

so your saying that the CMS didn't do their job to prevent fraud and the wasting of tax payers money? fascinating! And preytell what exactly is exceptable level of corruption and fraud? I mean we're talking about a govt agency here lol not exactly the winners of honesty of the year award here lol

and oh they agreed and I'm sure will take it under advisement and get right on turning it around as soon as they damn well feel like it because we all know govt agencies do not change things over night so by not implementing fraud risk assessments and protocols at start of this quagmire they wasted how much money again to fraud? Oh thats right the CMS isn't even aware of the scope because they didn't have safeguards in place to prevent it. at least thats what i get from your quotes.

originally posted by: roaland
a reply to: Gryphon66

so your saying that the CMS didn't do their job to prevent fraud and the wasting of tax payers money? fascinating! And preytell what exactly is exceptable level of corruption and fraud? I mean we're talking about a govt agency here lol not exactly the winners of honesty of the year award here lol

and oh they agreed and I'm sure will take it under advisement and get right on turning it around as soon as they damn well feel like it because we all know govt agencies do not change things over night so by not implementing fraud risk assessments and protocols at start of this quagmire they wasted how much money again to fraud? Oh thats right the CMS isn't even aware of the scope because they didn't have safeguards in place to prevent it. at least thats what i get from your quotes.

Interesting commentary.

Now, can you link to the statement from the GAO report linked to in the OP that states that there has been fraud committed?

Thank you kindly.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

It does not point out fraud.

It is not referencing fraud.

Hilarious. I just quoted excerpts of a finding by GAO report
citing fraudulent payments.

So, what definition of "fraud" are you using to deny the truth?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Do you really not see the forrest for the trees?

The fraud may or may not be in the GAO report, but the ACA was born of fraud "we have to pass the bill to know what's in it", " the average savings will be $2500.00", and my personal favorite:
" I PROMISE no one is going to take you away from your doctor".

Are there ACA success stories? Sure. Do they exceed or equal the ACA horror stories? Not even close.

The government itself is a fraud...a corporation who is now bankrupt.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: Gryphon66

It does not point out fraud.

It is not referencing fraud.

Hilarious. I just quoted excerpts of a finding by GAO report
citing fraudulent payments.

So, what definition of "fraud" are you using to deny the truth?

You need to read what you quoted again.

That's not what the GAO report says. It's reporting on unsubstantiated enrollees.

Are the facts not important at all? Only your ideology?

Your post is either mistaken or dishonest; read your own quote!

a reply to: NewzNose

I'm not looking for trees ... I'm looking for something very simple.

Cite the GAO report, referenced in the OP's source, linked by me that states that there is PROVEN FRAUD revealed in this report.

Your belief that ACA is fraud, your recapitulation of all the old anti-ACA talking points not withstanding, as well as your own opinion of Government ... is simply not the point here.

I am asking you to Deny Ignorance. I am asking you simply to quote something in the linked GAO report that states found fraud.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

How much fraud has actually been discovered again?

That seems like a significant fact to know.

This post sums it up. The O.P. makes it sound as if there were billions of dollars going into fraud. But no, billions of dollars became in danger of fraud. We don't know how much fraud went on in real life.

Can't someone PLEASE end this guys term early? Isn't there something...anything. Certified idiot? Terrorist sympathizer? Anything??? How many billions or trillions has this jack-off wasted on literally nothing?