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In his paper, "Non-computability of Consciousness," Daegene Song proves human consciousness cannot be computed. Song arrived at his conclusion through quantum computer research in which he showed there is a unique mechanism in human consciousness that no computing device can simulate.
"Among conscious activities, the unique characteristic of self-observation cannot exist in any type of machine," Song explained. "Human thought has a mechanism that computers cannot compute or be programmed to do."
Song's work also shows consciousness is not like other physical systems like neurons, atoms or galaxies. "If consciousness cannot be represented in the same way all other physical systems are represented, it may not be something that arises out of a physical system like the brain," said Song. "The brain and consciousness are linked together, but the brain does not produce consciousness. Consciousness is something altogether different and separate. The math doesn't lie."
In this article we review Tononi's (2008) theory of consciousness as integrated information. We argue that previous formalizations of integrated information (e.g. Griffith, 2014) depend on information loss. Since lossy integration would necessitate continuous damage to existing memories, we propose it is more natural to frame consciousness as a lossless integrative process and provide a formalization of this idea using algorithmic information theory. We prove that complete lossless integration requires noncomputable functions. This result implies that if unitary consciousness exists, it cannot be modelled computationally.
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
The facet you keep saying magic and you don't provide a shred of evidence to support anytthing you're saying shows this is about what you already believe and not any sort of reality.
The fact is, I just showed you Scientist from Duke to Sir Roger Penrose who use things like the math of quantum theory and Godel's theorem to show that consciousness is non computable and yet you don't debate these things you just blindly yell magic like that means something.
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When I argue that the action of the conscious brain is noncomputational, I'm not talking about quantum computers. Quantum computers are perfectly well-defined concepts, which don't involve any change in physics; they don't even perform noncomputational actions.
originally posted by: moebius
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
The facet you keep saying magic and you don't provide a shred of evidence to support anytthing you're saying shows this is about what you already believe and not any sort of reality.
The fact is, I just showed you Scientist from Duke to Sir Roger Penrose who use things like the math of quantum theory and Godel's theorem to show that consciousness is non computable and yet you don't debate these things you just blindly yell magic like that means something.
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It is interesting that you bring up Penrose. Here is what he said about consciousness and quantum computers:
When I argue that the action of the conscious brain is noncomputational, I'm not talking about quantum computers. Quantum computers are perfectly well-defined concepts, which don't involve any change in physics; they don't even perform noncomputational actions.
Which goes against your "universe is a Quantum Computer" hypothesis.
originally posted by: reddragon2015
if the universe is a computer, then what do you call the space containing this computer?
originally posted by: Pavlik
I have been reading here for about four years now. Finally decided to login and make my first post! This thread is EPIC. Wanted to say thank you to the OP for this.
originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
a reply to: neoholographic
This happened to me 5 years ago.
So here I am 5 years ago waking up and when I woke up, I saw binary codes in red all over the room all over my body, so I get up to open the window and it's all over the world, on people and everywhere ,it lasted for at least 5 minutes. I just sat and looked at all the red zero and one just all over the place and when I reached for it,it sprinkled apart but came back together.
Can you explain to me what happened and if so ,why did it happen Please ?
By the way the earth is the computer screen and the stars are the pixels used to do what whatever it does.
By the way, would black holes be considered as the trash bin?
originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
a reply to: neoholographic
ARE YOU SERIOUS!
IS THIS TRUE.
So here I am 5 years ago waking up and when I woke up, I saw binary codes in red all over the room all over my body, so I get up to open the window and it's all over the world, on people and everywhere ,it lasted for at least 5 minutes. I just sat and looked at all the red zero and one just all over the place and when I reached for it,it sprinkled apart but came back together.
And a year after that I find out that Stars are used on humans the same way as pixels are used for TV, THANKS neoholographic, SO STOKED !
Before I even thought it was something from the universe, I thought it might have been a Manchurian program of some type launched through a computer. Just being honest!
originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
a reply to: neoholographic
ARE YOU SERIOUS!
IS THIS TRUE.
So here I am 5 years ago waking up and when I woke up, I saw binary codes in red all over the room all over my body, so I get up to open the window and it's all over the world, on people and everywhere ,it lasted for at least 5 minutes. I just sat and looked at all the red zero and one just all over the place and when I reached for it,it sprinkled apart but came back together.
And a year after that I find out that Stars are used on humans the same way as pixels are used for TV, THANKS neoholographic, SO STOKED !
I have to venture the guess that though I have no reason to doubt u, this was more a personal/spiritual/psychological manifestation in fact I've hallucinated for up to a minute and a half after waking up but thats nowhere near five min and the times it happened I was so paralyzed I started crying thinking I must have done something in my sleep to damage my spinal cord (and my hallucinations were terrifying)...but I'm surprised u could move or walk in that state. But i only say it couldn't be a true since there's zero possibility the cosmic computer, if it uses binary code, would use human Arabic numbers. Youd see some sort of two symbols but not an Arabic 0 and 1
originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
Before I even thought it was something from the universe, I thought it might have been a Manchurian program of some type launched through a computer. Just being honest!
originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
a reply to: neoholographic
ARE YOU SERIOUS!
IS THIS TRUE.
So here I am 5 years ago waking up and when I woke up, I saw binary codes in red all over the room all over my body, so I get up to open the window and it's all over the world, on people and everywhere ,it lasted for at least 5 minutes. I just sat and looked at all the red zero and one just all over the place and when I reached for it,it sprinkled apart but came back together.
And a year after that I find out that Stars are used on humans the same way as pixels are used for TV, THANKS neoholographic, SO STOKED !
I have to venture the guess that though I have no reason to doubt u, this was more a personal/spiritual/psychological manifestation in fact I've hallucinated for up to a minute and a half after waking up but thats nowhere near five min and the times it happened I was so paralyzed I started crying thinking I must have done something in my sleep to damage my spinal cord (and my hallucinations were terrifying)...but I'm surprised u could move or walk in that state. But i only say it couldn't be a true since there's zero possibility the cosmic computer, if it uses binary code, would use human Arabic numbers. Youd see some sort of two symbols but not an Arabic 0 and 1
originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Phage
I was thinking the same too, if we're bound by code to do what we do then why give us the illusion of freedom by choice within the code ?
originally posted by: neoholographic
Look at the fact that there's no signal between entangled particles and this makes perfect sense if information is being processed and simulated rather than any objective material reality.
It may be hard to accept but it really isn't hard to grasp. Since Einstein, Science has been saying,"Does the universe really work this way?" Here's a quote from Heisenberg:
“I remember discussions with Bohr which went through many hours till very late at night and ended almost in despair; and when at the end of the discussion I went alone for a walk in the neighbouring park I repeated to myself again and again the question: Can nature possibly be so absurd as it seemed to us in these atomic experiments?”
― Werner Heisenberg