FREE THE HAMMONDS: We, the People, Upholding the U.S. Constitution vs. the BLM/USGOV

a reply to: Murgatroid

The BLM is the one whose wrong here and they are in FACT the real terrorists.

Who said anything about terrorists? Bundy is a jackass, not a terrorist.

The fact that they are stealing our land is all the proof one needs of this.

They haven't stolen my land. Maybe if they did I would look at it differently.

originally posted by: onequestion
The government has your best interests at hand.

It really makes little difference whether they do or not.

The government is not in charge...

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

"Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand." ~ Benjamin Disraeli; Prime Minister of England

...the U.S. government is under the control of an “invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.”

From Washington to JFK: Former Presidents Warn About Illuminati

a reply to: Murgatroid
Later in Teddy's speech:

Unhampered by tradition, uncorrupted by power, undismayed by the magnitude of the task, the new party offers itself as the instrument of the people, to sweep away old abuses, to build a new and nobler government. This declaration is our convenant with the people and we hereby bind the party and its candidates, in state and nation, to the pledges made herein.

Now to you men, who, in your turn, have come together to spend and be spent in the endless crusade against wrong, to you who face the future resolute and confident, to you who strive in a spirit of brotherhood for the betterment of our nation, to you who gird yourselves for this great new fight in the never-ending warfare for the good of human- kind, I say in closing what in that speech I said in closing: we stand at Armageddon, and we battle for the Lord.

So... what happened? He won, didn't he? He fixed everything?

Personally from what i have seen in the media does nt represent what is actually going on. Have yet to see any pics of armed miltia what i did see was agents looking like militia. This whole thing is a media mess. Pete santilli has a couple of interesting videos. Independent media claims it is a permitted protest and miltia only came after fbi surrounded them and national news went haywire nothing good will come from this thats for sure.

So the BLM are the terrorists, eh?

Not exactly, but close.

Judge slams the BLM: “fraud, extortion, racketeering, criminal conspiracy”.

a reply to: Phage
Wrong. The Hammonds were told by a federal judge that they would increase their jail sentence if they so much as talked to Bundy....that is documented fact....the only terrorists I see are our masters the good ole US government

a reply to: Phage
Phage....I have yet to read any post of yours that was "correct or right" I see you more as a poster child for everything that is wrong with this nation....things like that happen when you learn from others...let me guess....college...and the swarminess that comes with a degree.

originally posted by: akira131
a reply to: Phage

The experiment was a country of free and equal men guiding their own future free of an oppressive centralized government/religion.

I seem to remember our Founding Fathers owning quite a few slaves, and women not being able to vote at our country's birth.

The Articles of Confederation were an utter failure.

Under the Articles of Confederation, states often argued amongst themselves. They also refused to financially support the national government. The national government was powerless to enforce any acts it did pass. Some states began making agreements with foreign governments. Most had their own military. Each state printed its own money. There was no stable economy. In 1786, Shays' Rebellion occurred in western Massachusetts as a protest to rising debt and economic chaos. However, the national government was unable to gather a combined military force amongst the states to help put down the rebellion.

As the economic and military weaknesses became apparent, individuals began asking for changes to the Articles that would create a stronger national government. Initially, some states met to deal with their trade and economic problems. As more states became interested in meeting to change the Articles, a meeting was set in Philadelphia on May 25, 1787. This became the Constitutional Convention.

americanhistory.about.com

We kind of tried the whole "non centralized government" thing and it was a disaster.

originally posted by: odinsway
a reply to: Phage
Phage....I have yet to read any post of yours that was "correct or right" I see you more as....

So In other words you haven't read any of his posts because random YouTube videos and reposts of Reddit on the Deepweb are more factual then science and proof..

Science and religion.......Blinders for the human race.......
Phage... I think there is a mighty disconnect taking place among us.

Brandon Curtiss lays it out quite clearly.



Dereliction of Duty : PNN Founder Calls For Immediate Removal of Harney County Sheriff - YouTube

Stefan Molyneux lays out the situation very well in this excellent video.

US Federal Government vs Oregon Ranchers: Cruel and Unusual Punishments

a reply to: Phage

I get it quite well. I get that we are quick to judge those acting out of desperation. That we can all agree starting a war wont end well for anyone. And that we could solve things with peaceful protest and the free exchange of ideas. Come together to stop the injustices everywhere and make this a good place for our children.

But we can't come together and even share ideas for fear of being labeled by the very systems that these people are "fighting" against.

Until we can all come together and put away our differences and just so "no. we will no longer be a part of a predatory system. we must have reform" then all we will get is those who have had all their options taken away lash out in violence because we refuse to create the atmosphere of free and open dialogue. We are living in fear, so much so we are afraid to even talk about real solutions.

we sit back and do nothing but criticize, too afraid to speak of real solutions. Fear of the same ridicule we dish out to those acting out, fear the same machine. In that we become the makers of our own demise.

Every picture tells a story.

The United States government owns 47 percent of all land in the West. In some states, including Oregon, Utah and Nevada, the majority of land is owned by the federal government. Of course, it used to own nearly all of it.

source: Why the Government Owns So Much Land in the West - The New York Times

Betcha Didn't Know: Blaine Cooper Plays Classical Piano! - #OregonFront - YouTube

the part that bugs me is the Hammond's 'allegedly' lit fires in the way of a wildfire burning out of control, thereby causing it to burn out/starve for fuel...on the land where they eat and sleep and carry-on their day to day lives?

it stinks with the same stench as when the acoe breached some levees- then crap-loads of people found out they live downstream and got flooded out...nice heads up!

does federal jurisdiction escape the boundary of dc? does dc own the land, or do the people own the land?

what a weird feeling that I have to beg uncle sam to treat me like family-member?

originally posted by: Phage
Hyperbole much?

Well, certain hings need to be taken into account....

murrriiikaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!1 for you!
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

The Bundys are part of a fringe LDS Mormom sect and are Sovereign Citizen loons. They are wealthy ranchers that want to graze their cattle for free on federal land to up their profits. The Hammonds have made a statement distancing themselves from the Bundys. The locals have asked them to leave instead they have bulldozed a road into a wildlife sanctuary.

They have done a masterful job of co-opting this movement to hide their profit motive behind some grander scheme. The are laughing their racist asses off at all the people that are supporting their cause.

They are hiding their greed for personal profit behind a "feud" with the Federal Government.

Smart people are wise enough to see through what they are doing. The Bundys are smart enough to know that they can use people's bias against the Feds to hide their plan.

a reply to: Leonidas

The Bundys are smart enough to know that they can use people's bias against the Feds to hide their plan.

Smart?
Ok. If you say so.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.