Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Baddogma

MAYBE.

Kev

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eta: wow Bean... that's some golden stuff edited there! Could you edit my own post ramblings into a cohesive version suitable for publication? You could certainly sell your soul and be a PR "person" should the folklore gig ever stop.

My soul is not for sale, I can only give it away.
Mr Bear has some incredibly profound statements mixed into all this mystic soup and he's making me think about lies becoming real, and Cygnus and the cross, but I need to think about that one some more.

I could edit your posts if you like and show you up to be the very, very clever, self-effacing sweetheart that has somehow captured us all here but then on the other hand you might not like that. But the general drift would be that you know in your heart that life is bigger than what we see here - because you've experienced it - and it could and should be more honest and fair, but it isn't. Roughly.

a reply to: beansidhe

Some really powerful stuff is working itself through you Bean.

That's awesome.

Kev

a reply to: beansidhe

Uh-huh... as far as refining my repetitious harping... pretty much... and now I can retire from typing ever again! Well, actually, I cannot retire from anything except being a general laze-about and ne'er-do-well... heh.

But now I have to do more homework to refresh myself on Cygnus/cross and the lurking knowledge that's likely in plain sight but ignored as all folkloric metaphor seems to be ... by most.

Maybe we're in the presence of a smarter, less culturally biased Joe Campbell or Robert Graves... and at the very least, a more female folklorist.. . which is somewhat lacking, though will add the caveat that 'kidding about misogyny in academia in general while knowing brilliant females exist there in droves but tend to be ignored.

Ach... low blood sugar makes my brain shut down... I'll use that excuse for not making too much sense... or maybe it's the strong spirit brothers of ignorance and haste, making sure I drown my own thread in obvious ramblings... who knows (... but the 'knowers,' that is)?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

Well, I have to agree with everyone that you've contributed a lot of lovely stuff in the thread, especially - wanting "to see people learn to love animals and nature" - testament to the kindness of your heart and loving soul, which I have never doubted..

Question about the following:

They sometimes possess ArchTulpas such as the "gods" of the major religions.

So ultimately they sometimes possess the Body of Melissa (our "group soul").

Fortunately the Two Lovers (two feathered dragons) do not approve of void lords doing this and often intervene.

Kev

When you first mentioned 'Melissa' (back when she was 'swmbo'), you said she was the female of the "Two Lovers" and her male counterpart was 'someone' from "Overworld" that you weren't really sure about...

...but here you say, Melissa is "our group soul", and "the Two Lovers" are the "two feathered dragons" -

- so, I'm a little confused about that...

...Also, if 'Melissa/swmbo' is humanity's "group soul", why would you say (earlier in the thread) that your wife is the "physical embodiment of 'Her'"?

a reply to: lostgirl

And I want to add that I, too, am confused about that and maybe we need a flow chart?

And want to reiterate (until the bovines return to their dwellings) that we love ya, KPB, this is NOT an attack and know you never claimed to be anything (too) special, and know you can be and likely are mistaken about some of this stuff blah blah...

but I'm interested in this as I haven't had the techniques taught or sight to explore it, just read a bunch and saw some stuff... and since we have a real life shaman on call ...?

Some refinement would help in our spiritual zoological study, I guess is what I mean, and likely LG too!

eta and I'm off for a few hours to eat... stupid physical body demanding stuff all the darned time

a reply to: lostgirl

Melissa is very much the "human group soul".

And Melissa is, in Kundalini lore, taken to be part of the Divine female. And in a way she is. But its a bit more complex than that.

Structure and the restlessness are "the Divine female" and the "Divine male" respectively.

However when a pothole universe glorps into existence, the Divine female in particular gets severed into two. Different chunks.

The divine restlessness (male) does too but its in a much different way.

The silver seeds of the Divine male are covered over with globs of golden fragments of divine female.

This are the "babies", each one can sprout a "soul" in a manner of speaking.

The babies are the "stuff of Kundalini".

As biological lifeforms evolve, the golden stuff covering the silver seeds expands and interlocks until a "Melissa" forms.

Unfortunately "Melissa" misses her whole "Divine parents" (the unfrafmented parts of herself).

She yearns to be noticed, loved and worshiped. And most of all to go home, which willing biological beings can help her do.

The Two lovers have lower world (our world) and Overworld correspondences and in fact are the only working linkage between all the world's.

One of the lovers is linked to the gold and the other the silver.

I hope that clarifies.

Kev

a reply to: lostgirl

The wife thing is a joke in a way But also a truth.

"Happy wife = Happy life" You know. Swmbo.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

Its all painfully simple if you know 7000 year old hidden Kundalini lore, and are familiar with modern cosmogony and are a shaman...really... *gives an accusing look*

Ask all the questions about basic plumbing all you want. Lots more to learn. Zero offense taken.

Haven't hooked it into brain structures yet even.

But how do you plan on using the information? And will being spoon fed without thinking really help you?

If you force a pupae from a chrysalis it will die..
Not grow wings.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, I'm not planning on "using" the info as anything but bricks in one of my possible models of reality.

Just curiosity about how you see it, is all... and remember I have no idea if this is accurate or not, and don't care that much either way as it's interesting in it's own right.. . as is good, truth filled myth.

The way you describe the interactions and characters of two serpents w/aspects of Melissa, the more it sounds like the Gnostic "findings" ... and PKDs ficiton, where the two forces' male and female aspects are personified and try to break into our reality being guarded by the demiurge/ Melissa figure, though that one in the novel is more the evil, mad demi-urge.

But I was wondering where this knowledge comes from, and assumed it was through the usual shamanic sight w/ waking dream states, etc., but realized I had never asked, that I can remember.

And you are under no obligations, of course, 'cause, both being of a scientific bent I am assured it's at least somewhat socially uncomfortable.

a reply to: Baddogma

It's very simple.

Over the years whenever "Kundalini" was particularly active, I "see things in my mind".

Now, given my inclination of wanting to understand the structure of reality, as if i was building it out of a pile of spare parts, I guess not surprisingly that's what I see more than anything.. and rarely some critters.

Now of course the question comes up, "why don't you "see" you big liar mcliarsteen, some physics equations and the like?" Then you could help people and prove your BS is true.

Well that would be swell..but it never works that way.. I have ZERO control over it.

And whatever is "seeing" (which isn't me) has no interest in physics or anything whatsoever that I'm interested in.

It happens when it happens, as humans are NEVER in the drivers seat of spiritual experience, quite frustratingly. We are the junior partners.

Now as it so happens, I sometimes test the boundaries of "free will" and try a test.. I'm seeing the boundaries most clearly the last several days.. so I did a little test today..and I thought that it went splendidly.. but apparently it didn't.. or at least it hasn't kicked in yet.

Regretfully, as I am extremely lazy just like you (LOL!), I'm feeling that it's "OK" to do some delicate testing.. but I don't want it to work too well, as then I'd have to do something resembling work.

I mean, if by some frelling miracle I'm going to write book, I should know what I'm talking about as much as possible.

Now a bit more on the "seeing".

Sometimes "Kundalini" is so strong that I have the sensation of not being in a body at all.. and sometimes whole eras of the Universe seem to come and go.

For example I'm just CERTAIN that we live in a 5-sided polyhedron joined with another 5-sided polyhedron (of something like "anti-matter") and twisting around in a "bulk" of 11 dimensions.

That picture comes around all the time, when least wanted.

Other times I see something almost as clearly as "real world stuff" and real world stuff at the same time.
Like the BTUFO.

Sometimes I can't distinguish the two, but that's usually not often.. that happened in 1981 for like 10 minutes.

When I was in my 'crazy' "deluded" radiant gold phase, I'd purposely focus sight through the "third eye". I haven't done that in years..

Sometimes of course I just feel stuff and then an image also flashes, usually a little later, as my brain figures out what it's sensing.

So it varies a bit.. but I've "seen" a lot over the years.. but nothing so impressive as in movies or the like, really. At least not often.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

Well that's interesting about PKD and Gnosticism.

About a month ago I bought "Valis" but I've never read PKD except a couple short stories, which had nothing mystical about them.

I've also barely touched Gnosticism, as it feels quite wrong to me... Oh I know some of the basics.. but it feels pretty corrupted too. I mean the Gnostics are all dead; their philosophy never saved them.. of course insane blood thirsty savages hunted them down and exterminated them, just like the American Indian was mostly exterminated.. it could happen to anyone I guess, if that's the direction history is flowing.

But there you go.. if it resembles something, then I'd say that maybe those other folks got a bit of a looksie too.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

One last note.

If anything is "directly in my body", such as the 4 micro-environments, then I'm always aware of those things..
24x7x365 for my entire life.

And really, if I want to "try and take a look" or "take a listen", then those are the gateways that I look/listen through.
But getting out of your own 'internal space / imagination' is the key and it isn't always the easiest thing.

The head is a special case, as the head is a strange micro-environment. And that is 1/2 of the secret of "spirituality" and worthy of many pages in itself. But that's another day.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

One notable feature of string theory and M-theory is that these theories require extra dimensions of spacetime for their mathematical consistency. In string theory, spacetime is ten-dimensional, while in M-theory it is eleven-dimensional. In order to describe real physical phenomena using these theories, one must therefore imagine scenarios in which these extra dimensions would not be observed in experiments.[7]

The 11 dimensions rang a bell and you say 5 sided polyhedron - interesting that so much occult/esoteric working use pentagrams.

As for living in complete harmony with nature/universe - it is so much harder now we are all 'civilised' but I do what I can to help in the garden.

Anybody any idea what would happen if you asked a critter to show itself as it really is, rather than its UFO/Fae body?

Do you think they choose specifically how to appear or is it our brains which choose to interpret what we see ? ( i know you touched on this earlier)

Another thought springs to mind - when we see them are they even physically in our 'dimension/reality' - i think yes in some ways - how often are they maybe just using our 'reality, dimension or planet' as a door or path to somewhere else and they hurry through quickly to avoid us?

Chanting, mantras etc you said have different effects and there is a lot of work on sound frequencies in the new-age stuff.
So our personal resonation/ vibrations presumably 'work' best when attuned to our planet, galaxy, universe the 'Om' ?

There would be something so pleasing and perfect if everything came together in a single 'sound' the pulse of the Universe perhaps?

a reply to: Baddogma

I gave you the basis for any flow chart in terms of greater perspective but i'll elaborate, the only flow involved from a traditional shamanic perspective is downward, as awareness is suggested for level three and the premise this is founded upon is the fundamentals of Biology then symbiotic relationships between the animal and plant are normally involved, these themselves are based upon organic chemical compounds at level one, beyond that you're into the roots system, basic principles of binding and beyond that chaos and the void.

So Enki and Ninhursag were understood as working on the development of organic life down at level one, their most basic work symbolized by the plant/serpent hybrid, you can see when they made you they had their serpent helms on, the shamanic tradition in Sumer was an extension of the cult of Enki through his son, Asalluni.



The fundamentals of level three awareness are actually quite simple, over say an afternoon session anyone can be taken to the level of Enlightenment and they'd retain their ego and get an Anunnaki badge, but communication is a two way thing and if during the course they were only thinking about what they wanted for dinner at the end the only thing realized would be perhaps what they were having for dinner, that's a concern of fate and destiny, and it isn't necessary for people to have such levels of awareness therefore there are no such sessions.

What is necessary is for humanity as a whole, or a section of them, to achieve level seven status and get with the greater programme, the propagation and enhancement of organic life across the Universe, the cult of Ninisina, the lady of the diamond necklace.

My lady searched intensively on her own , concerned herself with things that otherwise one does not bother with, directed her attention to things that otherwise one does not do. Proudly she took the rank of Mistress, and my lady took away all the divine powers established for it. At that time, the jewellery of cuba stones did not exist; no jewellery of cuba stones was worn on the neck. Ninisina invented it: it was she who ploughed with the cuba stones, she who made them into seeds.

The Anunnaki born upon Earth

The way forward for level four Nimru, the leopard/Panther.

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Often, the "true form" that I see of almost any critter, is that "winged frog-lizard' thing; about 6 inches tall. I believe that those 'space imps' may have stripped much of "their part" of the Universe bare of life, or at least possessed much of it.

Now I don't know why.. but they can't "manifest" here, unless they possess either a "tulpa" or "archtulpa" (a human "god") or very rarely (only "black magicians really) a human.. when they possess a human, they quickly grow into a "LAM" such as Crowley summoned. I really have no idea why they have that second form.

Now there are a couple other critter types as I've explained before, but that is the main one.

The "space imps" need help to get "closer" to our world, and a "black magician" or "Void Lord" can help them accomplish that.. in 1981 I watched the "black magician" tear a hole in space and they came through "closer".

I'll have you know, quite interestingly, I was a total innocent at that time, and didn't believe in ANY of this stuff, except that I walked with the Two Lovers since birth.

So I wasn't "pre-corrupted with very many occult ideas at that time" and certainly never expected to see what I did.

Kev

a reply to: Kantzveldt

I'm wondering if your 'seed of all things', the "cosmic seed" is the same stuff I'm talking about..the silver cored, golden covered "spores" possibly even if you want to describe them that way, without which no sentient being can even form.

You might even call them "spores" of the flowering tree of the Heavens, which when they sprinkle down, form a tree of the World.

Got in a bit of an altered state while writing that.

Now in "my tradition" and I guess I have developed a personal tradition (too), these seed can sprout a life directly, or, they can be eaten (but never digested) / swallowed / formed around by some intermediary being, in the case I discuss the most, the "space imps", real troublemakers.. not as in 'tricksters", but quite closer to menacing and slightly dangerous, from the human perspective "evil", but they simply follow their own agenda to endlessly procreate, as they eat away at the body of worlds.

Just curious about any mythological correspondences.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I don't usually focus on experiences prior to the shadowy figure I saw in the woods when I was a child, but I remember "talking" with some small imp-like thing while it perched on the edge of my crib. I must have been a year or two old, and it didn't really bother me from what I can remember. The gray-type things that came later caused some extremely unpleasant events, that I could never convince my parents of being more than nightmares.

I even drew one of those when I was about 4, and found the pictures again in my 20's. We didn't have cable or anything that might have provided a picture for me to mimic, and my parents weren't interested in that kind of thing. Although I guess I could have seen a copy of Communion in a store, somewhere. I doubt it, though.

It's all interesting now, considering what you saw in '81 a couple of years before I was born.

Oddly enough, I also remember being born, and have vague memories of "talking" with something while still in the womb.

a reply to: Baddogma

You know the Fermi Paradox... or "why didn't detectable advanced life spread through the Cosmos"?

Well maybe it did. A heavy quote around "advanced" - but anything which can fly naturally in "space" aint chopped liver.

But you have to be a Shaman to detect it.

You know how animals eat seed pods, travel around to new areas, then poop them out.. then the seeds grow anew in a new area.

That sounds suspiciously like what the "Space imps" are doing.

Flying around the Universe, screwing things up like overly successful animals might do, but at least when they do, they poop out "cosmic seed", which then sprouts life.. maybe just the 'restlessness' which sparks that first random biogenesis.

Now wouldn't that be interesting?

Kill multiple birds with one "space imp".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

A seed is a highly complex arrangement of bound energy, coding and nutrients, all seeds are intended to sprout forth life but they don't suddenly pop into existence i wouldn't have thought, i only consider things in terms of due Cosmological, mineralogical and biological process.

The seeds at the highest level are compared to diamonds, brilliant, multi[faceted and difficult to smash, in fact they take the premise of the base, organic compounds of carbon and translate this to the top in terms of finished diamonds.

I did however probably sort your Melissa archetype out as a follow on from what i looked at in this thread with regards to the Antares infusion