Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will Save Average American Family Nearly $1,200 Per Year

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Hmm so my parents are now paying $5,000 when they were paying $1,000 pre-obamacare and Bernie is going to take $1,200 off that? ...It still sucks! The gov needs to stop meddling in people's personal business and put things back like it use to be!
The cats already long out of that scam bag!

Lol

So the same group of people who got fooled by Obamacare wants to double dip.

Insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different results.

That's why Americans all go to all the socialist countries for the cutting edge healthcare

I got a bridge in New York that I can sell someone...cheep

originally posted by: ketsuko
So basically, when Obama said I'd save $2,500/year, my premiums went up. Now Bernie is promising that total government control will make save me as much as $1,500 more per year than Obama promised?

Uh-huh, so should I just go file that bankruptcy now to beat the rush?

I can barely afford the extra money Obamacare costs.

Yes because total control means you can buy the same medicins and treatments for every hospital and dentist, basically buy everything in bulk, which will save you a lot.

They did the reversed thing in Holland thinking if dentists can set their own prices and decide which medicines they want to use, the free market will do its work and prices will drop because of it. But what happened prices went up because they didnt have the advantage of buying in bulk and prices rose.

www.nu.nl...

(Says government wants to quit the dentist experiment)

So yes there is a very good chance your prices for healthcare will actually drop by a lot. How do you think Europeans pay so much less for it? Its not a fairytale.

Save money huh?

That's EXACTLY what they said about the ACA (Obamacare)

Don't believe the hype.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
For those that oppose Sanders and wish to keep our current rulers:

So, what you are saying is, we're either with you or we're against you?

Bush much?

No way there could be a third choice right? Or even a fourth or fifth?

I prefer simple reforms that would make a huge difference.

Like an Independent panel that caps drug pricing and hospital pricing ($500 for a bottle of tylenol? Really?)

I want REAL change in healthcare. Not socializing it where it's "This is what you get, like it or not"

Or.. just let the private sector handle it. If you don't have a job.. well .. get one.

originally posted by: ketsuko
So basically, when Obama said I'd save $2,500/year, my premiums went up. Now Bernie is promising that total government control will make save me as much as $1,500 more per year than Obama promised?

Uh-huh, so should I just go file that bankruptcy now to beat the rush?

I can barely afford the extra money Obamacare costs.

Since 1. You wouldn't have ANY premiums, and 2. health costs (drug prices and services) would be collectively bargained with no parasitic middleman profiting, how do you figure you'd be worse off?

This is why the health insurance industry is having Hillary and Chelsea demonize single payer. Bernie Sanders is revealing an inconvenient truth and with the primaries coming the media blackout on Sanders won't work anymore. Its amazing they're willing to risk sinking Hillary's own campaign just to attack single payer. It says ALOT about how effective that program would be and how much cronyism is behind our current for-profit system.

originally posted by: LeoStarchild
Or.. just let the private sector handle it. If you don't have a job.. well .. get one.

The private sector has failed. Even with ACA 9 million are still without health insurance and the lust for corporate profits makes deductibles and premiums barely affordable for most.

We don't need corporate-friendly darwinism in government policy.

a reply to: Moors

9 million without insurance.. and good work ethic.

Back in '08, Obama talked some slick healthcare game. The people loved it. All Bernie has to do is gain your trust, then get his foot in the door.

originally posted by: Moors

originally posted by: LeoStarchild
Or.. just let the private sector handle it. If you don't have a job.. well .. get one.

The private sector has failed. Even with ACA 9 million are still without health insurance and the lust for corporate profits makes deductibles and premiums barely affordable for most.

We don't need corporate-friendly darwinism in government policy.

Actually it's much worse !!

33 Million Americans Still Don’t Have Health Insurance

The government failed when they wrote coercive language into ACA.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Some people just need to understand there are things in society we need that are not best served by the free market and the concepts of economic growth and profit. Health care law enforcement and the penal system are just a few of these things, best served by a sensible tax system. I'm not saying the private sector can't contribute to the success of these systems and ease the burden on the tax payer, but on the whole. Some things are not best served by the private sector with its emphasis on profit and growth.

An unencumbered free market economy almost always results in prices being driven down. Unfortunately, in the US we've collectively yielded our right to be responsible for ourselves. Before ACA, my family had reasonably good health care at an affordable rate. After ACA, well you know the story. I didn't need the gov't to come in and offer free stuff paid for by other people. For the life of me, I can't figure out why BO is so revered for this disaster called health care reform. It's as broken as the website it rolled out on. To quote the lefties, "the science is settled".
Federal taxes should provide for infrastructure and defense, not to give lazy people my money.

a reply to: poncho1982

Either way when you elect corporate politicians rather R's or D's you get laws that favor the corporations, not laws that help the people. i.e. corporate rule.

a reply to: thebeanofbeans

Look at the recent ebola situation, if not for WHO (which is socialized medicine) the ebola would be continuing to spread. Simply put I do not want a bunch of sick poor people spreading their diseases, coughing all over produce, handling packages of meat.

If you want that kind of world, just so you can have more money, I think you are just plain greedy!

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: poncho1982

Either way when you elect corporate politicians rather R's or D's you get laws that favor the corporations, not laws that help the people. i.e. corporate rule.

Which is why I've been an Independent for 26 years. All of my adult life.

I saw the stupidity of the two party system early on. Back in 1990 when I was 18.

Which is why now, I absolutely REFUSE to vote for anyone who has served more than two terms in congress, and Trump had my vote by default simply because hes NOT a career politician. He's an American who is as fed up with the powers that be as I am.

He's a better choice than any of the other clowns that are running.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

My prediction is that as President Hillary will push for a system styled on the Australian. Depending on your income you will either pay for levies or have private health insurance. The system will be designed so that it is worth while for medium to high income earners to have private health insurance. This is how voters outrage at the gross failings of Obama Care will be addressed.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Could be that. Setup to fail in the first place.

A bill written by the healthcare industry. To cover the additional healthcare of only around 12 million people just about? And prices will continue to increase.

a reply to: poncho1982

Biff is your boy, I see.

I am sure, he will find a load of manure to enjoy!

I see your point why have a middle man, when you can elect one of the 1% to the presidency.

originally posted by: ketsuko
So basically, when Obama said I'd save $2,500/year, my premiums went up. Now Bernie is promising that total government control will make save me as much as $1,500 more per year than Obama promised?

Uh-huh, so should I just go file that bankruptcy now to beat the rush?

I can barely afford the extra money Obamacare costs.

Obama's top donors were corporations and banks unlike Sanders
There is the difference.

No matter how you slice it, if Big Pharma and Insurance got out of the government, or if government disappeared, they would still be taking a paycut because Average American wages have been stagnant or declining and they do not have the money to pay for the increasing costs that they want.

My BIL pulls in a cool 300K a year as a Pharma Salesman and he is at the bottom of the totem pole.
There are execs pulling in millions a year and also don't forget the sky rocketing Pharma and Medical stocks on Wall Street. That comes out of Americans Paychecks.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: AlaskanDad

As we already see, this type of comment is ruined by the failed execution of the ACA.
Now the arguments of why it failed is going to be highly contested, as would be the reasoning WHY the numbers didn't work out for some.
People that got screwed have every reason to be weary of this type of comment.

It saddens me that people think that the ACA is even close to socialized medicine, when I have my tin foil hat on it makes me wonder if that wasn't all part of the plan.

Obamacare is Corporate Controlled Care and is far from socialism as you can get
The only thing that matters still is profits for the shareholders and execs.
Obamacare was written by corporations for corporations.


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