Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will Save Average American Family Nearly $1,200 Per Year

originally posted by: leemachino
My rates more than tripled under ACA. Under Berniecare I would still be paying more than I did before ACA. Probably get less coverage under it as well.

My rates dropped by half, sorry about that for you.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: yesyesyes

And unfortunately treating terminal and long term conditions are cost prohibitive, I might know one person who could pay for cancer out of pocket, or major heart surgery out of pocket.

I do not see a cash based system being something that majority of Americans can afford. I think that is the conundrum in regards to insurance.

All the more reason to take insurance companies out of the equation. Health care is expensive enough without insurance companies siphoning billions out of the health care system.

I would fully support the sort of single payer system that many here advocate, but there is another problem that has to be addressed first: the level of corruption in our government. That comes from both sides of the aisle.

You are right.

I think the best way would be to reset the private market and put in place a public option for the people who want that.

Lets see...a socialist democrat that wants to put money in the pocket of the people? My BS detector is going off like crazy. Tell you what...have him put it in writing, submit it to Congress and add one provision. "If any of the calculations, figures or projections in this document turn out to be false or incorrect, this document and any derived from it are immediately declared null and void".

Then I MIGHT consider it. Call it an Obama-Lies-Knee-Jerk reaction...but I've been lied to quite enough over the last eight years. More than enough for a lifetime.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Great argument, my guy did not say it, and it's not my party, so I will not believe it. Just throw in the word socialist and demonize Obama and you to win lol's!

Blah, blah,blah...


I mean I hate Obama too, but that was pathetic!

nevermind

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Lets see...a socialist democrat that wants to put money in the pocket of the people? My BS detector is going off like crazy. Tell you what...have him put it in writing, submit it to Congress and add one provision. "If any of the calculations, figures or projections in this document turn out to be false or incorrect, this document and any derived from it are immediately declared null and void".

Then I MIGHT consider it. Call it an Obama-Lies-Knee-Jerk reaction...but I've been lied to quite enough over the last eight years. More than enough for a lifetime.

Some people are geared to want to help other people, some people are geared to help themselves, I know you see it in the world around you.

Those types of people run for president too

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Minus your specific provision, he did submit to congress in 2013; S. 1782
To provide for health care for every American and to control the cost and enhance the quality of the health care system.

a reply to: yesyesyes

I think you're full of #. You have to be making below the poverty line to be paying less then you were.

You are all looking at the cost side of the equation and totally ignoring the service delivery side. Spend a little time reading about the UK NHS. Go look at the cancer survival rate comparisons between the UK vs US.

A single payer system in the US would look a lot like the VA. Is that what you really want?

People living in Canada and the UK are coming to the US for their health care. That should tell you something.

I work in the industry and I can tell you that no ones premiums went down after Obamacare. A few years back the US government wanted to know how much to charge. Businesses told them it was none of their business what they were paying but the FED used box 12dd on your W2 to get the information. Then, if you compared your plan you had it was about the same price but your deductibles went through the roof.

This is all fact.

If you go to a single payer system you would be allowing the government, not private business, to control everything. This is insane. Just like the you will not be denied coverage lie. Yes, you will not be turned away if you want to pay but that does not mean all of your needs are covered.

a reply to: matafuchs

You have a point; greedy people in charge ruins both governments and private business, but you can't vote to change those that run the medical insurance business!

Ya more and bigger bonuses for HMO CEO's, yup private insurance is so much better, for the corporates!

originally posted by: dbarnhart
Go look at the cancer survival rate comparisons between the UK vs US.

OK.


Cancer Survival

The US trails behind France and Cuba in this graph, followed closely by Canada, Australia and Japan. I urge everyone to do their own research and look at just how close we are to other countries in regards to cancer survival rate. The US is normally at the top or within the top five, but we're not astronomically higher than other countries.

Let's look at some other statistics:

Infant mortality
The United States is ranked 57th, between Serbia and Croatia.

Life expectancy
The United States is ranked 43rd.

Obesity rate
We're ranked 33rd, tied with Saudi Arabia.

So our babies die sooner, our population dies sooner but we're pretty good at treating cancer...but just barely. Now...what does it cost us?
The United States spends more than twice as much per capita on healthcare as the average developed country does
Countries spending the most on health care

The United States currently spends more per person on health care than any other developed country. Health outcomes in the U.S., however, are among the worst.

Hey, at least if you get cancer you stand a pretty good chance at getting better...if you can afford it.

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: yesyesyes

I think you're full of #. You have to be making below the poverty line to be paying less then you were.

I do make below the poverty line - Does that make me a bad person? lol

a reply to: AlaskanDad

They are also penalizing those who are self insured. Taking the risk. The Bailouts that were written into the ACA and the fines that are there for those who 'choose' not to have coverage.

People do not realize that healthcare is not a choice anymore it is mandatory or pay a fine.

a reply to: matafuchs

And how pray tell does this make Sanders single payer medical coverage bad, I mean it is not the ACA nor is it Obamacare.

Privatize insurance, maybe you could put Kenneth Lay & Jeffrey Skilling in charge???

Or Martin Shkreli would love a chance to be CEO of a medical insurance company!

a reply to: yesyesyes

No, but that answers the question. For all us that make to much for a rebate, the prices have gone up to crazy amounts. For a single male my out of pocket max went from 1800 last year to 6800 this year, not including my increased premiums and my coverage dropping by 10%. Not including the hits that I took on my vision and dental coverage.

Anytime the govt gets involved. Prices go up and quality goes down. See college education, the VA and th ACA.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Because you would put the government in charge. There would be no more free market competition. If you allowed the insurance companies to cross states then you could cause prices to lower. As they are now there is not competition and less choice.

If you went single payer what happens when the government says sorry we are doubling your premiums....

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: AlaskanDad
It saddens me that people think that the ACA is even close to socialized medicine, when I have my tin foil hat on it makes me wonder if that wasn't all part of the plan.

The plan from the beginning was to make is so bad that people would beg for a single payer system. Alot of people on both sides where talking about it. Just us Americans just forget so easy cause someone famous did noting on tv.

ACA will cost me 400 a month plus 6600 deductible and where i live. No doctors are covered so i would have to drive 2 hours one way to see a doc. I pulled my bicep and it costed me 10k Total with the lowest plan it would have been near the same.

a reply to: matafuchs


Ha, ha, ha and who do you think wrote the ACA? It was those very same competitive insurance companies your defending!

a reply to: AlaskanDad

No man you got it wrong. I think they are all crooks. Get a HSA and pay want you think you will need not the 10k per year that BCBS or Humana will charge you per year for a family plan. When I said in the industry i am a consultant for HR/Payroll users not the insurance industry. They suck.