Why are you so afraid of the socialist society?

a reply to: Grimpachi

yes, I understand all of that, but they are socialist with a little "s," not a capital "S."

But to be fair, the military is the only thing that you listed that SHOULD be funded by the federal government is the military, as it is enumerated in the Constitution that the federal government WILL fund that. The streetlight comment is local taxes. The highway program made sense at the time, as it aided in accumulating federal tax money by making commerce quicker and more reliable, but has evolved into a tool that is used as leverage to extort states to do the bidding of the federal government.

And the federal highway system is managed quite poorly, imo...something that is a common occurrence in federal programs.

The commercial variant of every last endeavor will always yield better results than the socialist.

A million dollars will always beat out the promise of eternal love and appreciation of the politburo. Virtually every cure and great piece of medical equipment have come from the competitive arena. All socialist medicine ever gave us was filthy rundown hospitals and crappy / not enough doctors.

marxism was written solely as an excuse by a filthy smelly bum who didn't feel like working. It was turned into a movement by people who couldn't think much past the level of a 14-year-old. All rainbows and puppy tails, and happiness and equality.

a reply to: Grimpachi

UCMJ isn't really a socailist DOCUMENT.
I wonder how many here know your Constitutional priviliges are suspended when you join the military?
If you get right down to it ALL offices and businesses are structured that way.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

The highway system is flawed I never said it wasn't in fact I wouldn't mind if every road turned into a privately owned toll road, but I bet if that happened there would be a lot of poorly maintained dangerous roads where those that used them were exploited.

The constitution hints at the military being just about the only thing that should require a collective effort, if 50 states are going to be one contiguous block of land. Though it would be interesting to let the border and coastal states take the responsibility and authority for providing defense, should they desire. Maybe they get payment or recruits from the interior states. Since the interior states typically have food production and other resources, that could balance out.

The highway system was a reasonable collective effort for start-up, and should then (now) be handed to the states completely for maintenance of their pieces. Just about everything else you can think of would follow the same path.

Law enforcement, interstate commerce, and so on....require some coordination measures, but not endless agencies and monolithic federal control. Sorta like the constitution hints at.

You should live in the US if you like this framework. You should move to Cuba or NKorea or Venezuela or China if you desire the socialism or communism. With proper state's rights and autonomy, you'd probably still find socialism or communism in CA or NY or VT, and could be happy there.

But I'm forgetting, progressives don't want to live what they believe......they must force everybody else to agree with them ,and live how they tell them to live.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Grimpachi

UCMJ isn't really a socailist DOCUMENT.
I wonder how many here know your Constitutional priviliges are suspended when you join the military?
If you get right down to it ALL offices and businesses are structured that way.

I don't know why you brought up the UCMJ or how it ties into the conversation.

originally posted by: stevieray
The commercial variant of every last endeavor will always yield better results than the socialist.

A million dollars will always beat out the promise of eternal love and appreciation of the politburo. Virtually every cure and great piece of medical equipment have come from the competitive arena. All socialist medicine ever gave us was filthy rundown hospitals and crappy / not enough doctors.

marxism was written solely as an excuse by a filthy smelly bum who didn't feel like working. It was turned into a movement by people who couldn't think much past the level of a 14-year-old. All rainbows and puppy tails, and happiness and equality.

What has marxism to do with any of this?

a reply to: Grimpachi

The entire military functions under it.
All agencies have something similar by their protocols.

originally posted by: Harvin
Still, in a government job there are supervisors who will write you up, you cannot be habitually late or for fighting etc., pretty much the same for any other job.

No fighting. Yes, no fighting in government job. That I found to be true. Causing dissension in the workplace is a big No No

IMO ALL government supported organizations waste money because of how they fund. There needs to be a better system.

originally posted by: stevieray
The constitution hints at the military being just about the only thing that should require a collective effort, if 50 states are going to be one contiguous block of land. Though it would be interesting to let the border and coastal states take the responsibility and authority for providing defense, should they desire. Maybe they get payment or recruits from the interior states. Since the interior states typically have food production and other resources, that could balance out.

The highway system was a reasonable collective effort for start-up, and should then (now) be handed to the states completely for maintenance of their pieces. Just about everything else you can think of would follow the same path.

Law enforcement, interstate commerce, and so on....require some coordination measures, but not endless agencies and monolithic federal control. Sorta like the constitution hints at.

You should live in the US if you like this framework. You should move to Cuba or NKorea or Venezuela or China if you desire the socialism or communism. With proper state's rights and autonomy, you'd probably still find socialism or communism in CA or NY or VT, and could be happy there.

But I'm forgetting, progressives don't want to live what they believe......they must force everybody else to agree with them ,and live how they tell them to live.

So what you are saying is because of all your states and in that local "governments", the idea of everybody contributing to the wellbeing of all is impossible? And you cant compare any of this to North Korea.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Grimpachi

The entire military functions under it.
All agencies have something similar by their protocols.

I know that, but what does that have to do with the conversation?

The military is a socialist program because it is funded by society/taxes. It isn't socialist based off how its internally run.

a reply to: Annee

Heya, Annee.....

No fighting. Yes, no fighting in government job. That I found to be true. Causing dissension in the workplace is a big No No

There's 'no fighting' in a corporate job, either. You do what corporate says, or you are driven out.........

In a closed-door meeting of executives including HR, my overboss, and my exec department manager - to air the grievances of my staff (I was their supervisor) on their behalf - I once committed the naive error of suggesting that the staff I supervised might form a union.

Daggers. Female eye-daggers. After that I was sabotaged, systematically. The staff I supervised loved me......my managers had to execute me. Too 'liberal' for "corporate".

bah.
Icing on the cake was when I needed a week off over the winter holiday(s) to look after my frail, elderly dad while my mom took a needed respite with her sisters-in-law. I was told "no one gets New Year's Eve off" (the seasonal mantra).

The next day I turned in my resignation.

a reply to: Grimpachi

You HAVE brought up THAT's why.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I got nuked by a politically correct former college volleyball coach after worKing for a company for 9 years, the corporate "Rah,Rah" crap was starting to JUST show up then too.
She would bring in children's books as training aids.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Grimpachi

You HAVE brought up THAT's why.

Really, where, how?

a reply to: Grimpachi

Hey man..MY diagnoses is forgetfulness DON'T YOU start it now...."Of course, we are not a purely socialist society, but our country has been a mix of socialism ever since people were taxed for any program. Roads, schools, police, fire, Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines, Coast Guard, FBI, CIA, FDA, EPA, ATF, CDC, Customs and Border Protection, DOC, DOE, USDA, DOT, DOJ just to name a few."

Because here, politicians are just well-funded crooks and there's no honor among thieves.

It's them against us..we elect them to represent us, and those idiots think we put them there to rule us...big issues with them going in the direction they are.

Not anti-gov't, I'm anti-non-citizen-representing gov't..and this, is definitely headed in that direction.


I'd not trust one of our politicians who's a diabetic to hold my candy bar while I use the men's room.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I've worked in HR. I've worked corporate. I worked on affirmative action.

It's all a "game". I just think the "games" are played differently.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Annee

Heya, Annee.....

No fighting. Yes, no fighting in government job. That I found to be true. Causing dissension in the workplace is a big No No

Daggers. Female eye-daggers. After that I was sabotaged, systematically. The staff I supervised loved me......my managers had to execute me. Too 'liberal' for "corporate".

LOL, I know. It sucks.

I got hired at a small company to be the owners personal assistant, by the owner. He was in his 70s. I was in my 20s. Unfortunately, his wife (2nd), was in charge of personnel, he was in charge of the plant. Wifey was pissed. The other employees used to hide me whenever she was about. She eventually wore him down and made him fire me. I can tell you the second he died that company went up for sale

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

you have a hard to access border....

If Norway were a person, it would be the spoiled rich kid of wealthy Elitist Liberals on the block who has all the toys he wants and looks at the other poor kids confused.

Norway can AFFORD to have social programs in perpetuity. And for many of the reasons I listed above.

You conveniently overlook how the USA has socialized bailing out bankers, how your standard of living is predicate on the hegemony of the US $Petrodollar -or the export of your inflation, or how you invade countries to plunder their resources "in the name of freedom and democracy"

Millions of innocents dead and your Gulf veterans begging for assistance in the streets of the "Land of Opportunity" Do some research, you spoilt brat

You don't respect borders