Bernie Sanders Hints Elizabeth Warren as Vice President

a reply to: Enochstask

Socialism, boiled down, is social cooperation - Human civilization absolutely depends on social cooperation. You can only be so "self efficient" - We would not be where we are today without it - Just try to build something simple, like a toaster from scratch (it has been attempted here )

I work in the commercial/industrial construction industry - I would not be able to do my job without the cooperation of thousands of other people everyday. Forward thinking folk cannot make their own way without the cooperation of their society in modern times. Just about everything people use everyday has been made through "socialism" - Our homes, our cars, our roads, our languages, all of the devices we use everyday that improve our quality of life.

Sure, you could walk out into the wilderness and possibly survive - but most likely, you will go into the wilderness with equipment/supplies you didn't make yourself, and need training/knowledge to survive that was passed on by someone else.

The issue usually comes down to a preference of exploitation rather then cooperation. It's simple greed hiding behind self efficiency - Cooperation often times requires sacrifice, where exploitation does not. I'm not saying self efficiency is a bad thing at all, but cooperation in our society is absolutely vital. Ideas are worthless if they cannot be put into action.

originally posted by: Enochstask
Some people with lower tribal IQ's believe that we should all pay for each others "stuff".

I thought it was proven scientifically that Liberals tend to have higher IQ's that conservatives. (Yes tend, not absolute)

originally posted by: Enochstask
Self efficient forward thinking people make their own way in the world and provide for themselves and their families.

I understand what you mean but "forward thinking" is exactly what conservatism isn't like.

originally posted by: EnochstaskThis give everyone free healthcare, free education and free phones is commonly know as the Cloward Piven Stategy, and it's intended goal is to overload the system and break it down.

I don't know about commonly known, never heard of it...let's check out Wikipedia for starters.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".

Eliminating poverty, wow that sounds quite evil!

And I always though healthcare, education and welfare we're to help people in need so they have a decent chance at life if ever something goes wrong. I've been fooled all this time! It was nefarious plan to break our system!

a reply to: Enochstask

Why should we pay for someone else's kids when they have 5-6-7-8 babies just to collect more services?

Do you think all people on welfare are people with 5-6-7-8 babies? What about the single mom that is just trying to get by with her one kid?
Or our troops.
money.cnn.com...

And news flash, you are not the only one paying taxes... those people even pay taxes on the purchases they make with that 'free money' they are getting.

That is part of the reason why the Kenyan Communist is flooding our country with uneducated, illiterate South Americans and muslims.

LOL, ya immigration has totally only been a problem with Obama in office.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The guy thinks we have muslim area only zones in the UK.
Attempted to school us on it using the Daily mail as a source lol.
Maybe he needs to expand his world horizons.

a reply to: Enochstask

Furthermore, the American middle class already pays the tax rate of some socialist countries but yet we get none of the benefits of Democratic Socialism "Health care for all, infrastructure, public college education, a living wage, paid family and medical leave, sick leave, vacations." What we do get is a large military that plays World Police for our corporations.

Just been schooling myself on her.
Wow right up my street.
Can we have her?.

The primary, (and proper) use of American tax dollars is to pay extremely large companies to design amazing things that we can use to blow stuff up in other lands, so, in turn, subsidiaries of said companies can then report to us over cable tv who and what was blown up, while selling us hemorrhoid cream, toothpaste, and contact lenses (so we don't grab the wrong tube).
In turn, other extremely large companies are paid out of our tax dollars to rebuild and clean up the mess we created with those amazing things we designed.
Its a perfect system (if you're part of the in crowd)

We could call it Anti-socialism!

a reply to: boymonkey74

We wish

She was on Colbert and said why should won't run, IIRC it was along the lines that where she is at right now is more important and she feels she can get more done.
Great interview, should give it a watch when you have a chance.

a reply to: Gumerk

originally posted by: Gumerk
a reply to: Enochstask

From my perspective Bernie wants billionaires to pay their fair share of taxes, stop taking handouts from the taxpayers when they need us then bail on us and move jobs overseas when they don't need us. I don't think he wants to hand anyone the American dream but to give us all the best possible environment to achieve that dream.

You mean like Apple, Google and Big Hollywood or like GE that got all of the tax breaks from OBAMA? I agree those corporations should be paying more.

From my perspective there are distinct differences between Socialism, National Socialism, and Democratic Socialism. Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. We are moving towards an Oligarchy. What about all the big money that dictates politicians support? What about the ability for huge billionaire corporations to donate unlimited amounts of money to campaigns?

Socialism is the gateway culture to Communism. Corporations do have spending limits on the amounts they can give to campaigns, but they can give to PAC's.

What about all the lobbyist in politics as we know it today? I think there is a lot of fear associated with the word socialism. But again, from my perspective Democratic Socialism still has capitalistic ideas within its framework but has a social safety net and promotes people over profit.

I believe a moratorium should be placed on lobbyist for four years until we get our country straightened out. Washington DC should be lobbyist free and any politician caught engaging a lobbyist in that time should be fired immediately and lose all their benefits and pension.

When billionaires openly claim they pay as little in taxes as their secretaries that doesn't seem like a fair share to me. For example: Boeing, General Electric and Verizon have paid NO federal taxes in recent years. Global Financial Integrity, a financial watchdog agency, estimates that global corporations and wealthy individuals are hiding a total of over $21 trillion.


For example, the report explains Jetblue, PG&E, PEPCO Holdings, and Ryder used accelerated depreciation a tax break that allows companies to write off the cost of their capital investments much faster than these investments wear out, to dramatically reduce their tax rates. CTJ has estimated that closing the accelerated depreciation loophole could raise more than $428 billion over the next decade.


They have produced world shaping companies like Volvo, IKEA, AstraZeneca, Electrolux, Ericsson, H&M, Skype, Solvatten, Spotify, Peepoople, and Wrapp for example. Surely they must have an incentive to be successful. Social democrats like Sanders want to ensure that every person has access to housing, health care, education, meaningful employment, and transportation.

I believe they should pay more taxes too, unless it's an American company which is threatened by another countries similar company, because that countries company is being subsidized to destroy an American company.

They have took nothing from me, still I want them to pay their fair share of taxes like I do. Sander's points to the Scandinavian governments as his model of Democratic Socialism. Those countries are working hard, have health care, education, and an overall good quality of life..

This is why Commie Sanders is a nut job because Scandinavia has approximately 26 million people compared to America's 300 million plus.

Reducing economic inequality, removing the rigged influence of the rich on our political system, and importantly, preventing climate change. Sanders wants to make our taxation system more progressive by ensuring the rich pay their fair share, given how much they benefit from the labor of others.He wants to ensure that every person has access to food, shelter, health care, and a good-paying job. I think it's a good alternative to what we have now, and if given the chance perhaps it can really thrive.

Do you even understand what the word Progressive means? You should read up on the Progressive movement and how it got stared and what it's goals are. Progressives are not energetic young forward thinkers they are diabolical at best. These are the people who are into eugenics and race purification.

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

How is taxation stealing if you can receive something in return? If someone steals my wallet that's obviously theft. I'm getting nothing in return! When we pay our taxes, in return our government gives us education, transportation, healthcare, safe food, protection and a commitment to justice, social security, medicare, medicaid, disability insurance, unemployment insurance, FEMA, USDA, and civilization just to name a few perks.

Democratic Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability. With this, there is also redistribution and welfare for citizens in the event of sickness, poverty, and old age.

What thief gives you the opportunity to decide where your money is spent or even how much? The US government still has to listen to the will of We The People. We choose what tax system and how much if any we should have when we vote. If taxation truly was stealing, there would be another political party emerge to represent We The People in a heartbeat and it would win by a landslide victory!

It becomes stealing when those in political power start believing we should pay for other children' lunches, birth control and every other social service because that will keep them in power longer to dream up more dopey BS.

Listen, we all have a right as citizens to these benefits but we obviously all have a collective responsibility to pay our fair share of taxes for these services if able. We all have a right and what I think is a responsibility to vote, but we also have a responsibility to accept the outcome no matter if our chosen representative wins or not.

Do we not have a moral responsibility to the elderly, children, sick, or disabled? I believe we do. What's wrong with We The People collectively exercising that responsibility through our elected officials and government? Especially, when we can all improve our quality of life and environment through this portal as a collective whole.

When we are successful, did we not build upon the work of previous generations? Did we not receive some assistance from other members of society? What about energy, education, health, and public roads? Did those benefits not help us to become successful and provide us the environment we needed to take full advantage of and reach our potential?

Is it not then fair to pay into the environment and support it? I realize our current system is not fully working as intended and that is why I want Bernie Sanders to become the next POTUS. That's my opinion, thoughts, and belief.

originally posted by: Gumerk
a reply to: Enochstask

Furthermore, the American middle class already pays the tax rate of some socialist countries but yet we get none of the benefits of Democratic Socialism "Health care for all, infrastructure, public college education, a living wage, paid family and medical leave, sick leave, vacations." What we do get is a large military that plays World Police for our corporations.

If Obamacare is so damn great, why weren't the members of Congress and the OBAMA forced to take the same plan, since after all they are our public servants?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Enochstask

Why should we pay for someone else's kids when they have 5-6-7-8 babies just to collect more services?

Do you think all people on welfare are people with 5-6-7-8 babies? What about the single mom that is just trying to get by with her one kid?
Or our troops.
money.cnn.com...

And news flash, you are not the only one paying taxes... those people even pay taxes on the purchases they make with that 'free money' they are getting.

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LOL, ya immigration has totally only been a problem with Obama in office.

We have never had a US President run secret operations to import illegals on the scale that OBAMA communist has.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Ah can't find it can you find it and put it up for me fella?.

originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: Enochstask
Some people with lower tribal IQ's believe that we should all pay for each others "stuff".

I thought it was proven scientifically that Liberals tend to have higher IQ's that conservatives. (Yes tend, not absolute)

originally posted by: Enochstask
Self efficient forward thinking people make their own way in the world and provide for themselves and their families.

I understand what you mean but "forward thinking" is exactly what conservatism isn't like.

originally posted by: EnochstaskThis give everyone free healthcare, free education and free phones is commonly know as the Cloward Piven Stategy, and it's intended goal is to overload the system and break it down.

I don't know about commonly known, never heard of it...let's check out Wikipedia for starters.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".

Eliminating poverty, wow that sounds quite evil!

And I always though healthcare, education and welfare we're to help people in need so they have a decent chance at life if ever something goes wrong. I've been fooled all this time! It was nefarious plan to break our system!

You so called humanitarians call yourselves Progressives never understanding the movement or where it came from is hilarious to me. You do know Progressive are the ones behind Eugenics and racial purification don't you?

a reply to: Enochstask

In the 40's maybe...it isn't the forties anymore things do change.

originally posted by: Syyth007
a reply to: Enochstask

Socialism, boiled down, is social cooperation - Human civilization absolutely depends on social cooperation. You can only be so "self efficient" - We would not be where we are today without it - Just try to build something simple, like a toaster from scratch (it has been attempted here )

I work in the commercial/industrial construction industry - I would not be able to do my job without the cooperation of thousands of other people everyday. Forward thinking folk cannot make their own way without the cooperation of their society in modern times. Just about everything people use everyday has been made through "socialism" - Our homes, our cars, our roads, our languages, all of the devices we use everyday that improve our quality of life.

Sure, you could walk out into the wilderness and possibly survive - but most likely, you will go into the wilderness with equipment/supplies you didn't make yourself, and need training/knowledge to survive that was passed on by someone else.

The issue usually comes down to a preference of exploitation rather then cooperation. It's simple greed hiding behind self efficiency - Cooperation often times requires sacrifice, where exploitation does not. I'm not saying self efficiency is a bad thing at all, but cooperation in our society is absolutely vital. Ideas are worthless if they cannot be put into action.

Socialism is a gateway culture to Communism plain and simple.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Enochstask

In the 40's maybe...it isn't the forties anymore things do change.

Same old bosses with new sparkly crap to dazzle the indoctrinated college mind.

a reply to: Enochstask

No it isn't at all you do know every western country has social structures in and I didn't see us all join the Soviet block when we could have.
Bleating BS doesn't make it true.

originally posted by: Gumerk
a reply to: Enochstask


Do those same forward thinking people that provide for themselves and their families not already participate in taxation and reap a benefit that helps them provide for that same family?

Do they not benefit from the military, highways/roads, public libraries, police, fire departments, postal services, bridges, garbage collection, public landfills, the CIA & FBI, the EPA "clean air & water," social security, museums, prisons "so the 2% aren't in society with serial killers," corporate/business subsidies "the only type of socialism that is acceptable for the 2%," public parks, all elected government officials "they've been loving this benefit for years thanks to citizens united they can donate to their politician/puppet of choice -- without limits,"

sewer systems, court systems, state/city zoos, The Hoover Dam, The Pentagon, The FDA, Town/State run beaches, corporate bailouts/welfare "Obviously they love the hell out of this benefit," state construction "fixing those pesky potholes/repaving that worn out highway or bridge," city/metro buses, state snow removal, public broadcasting service, centers for disease and control, public street lightning, FEMA "for all those hurricanes and other disasters," Amtrak, national public radio,

The Department of Homeland Security, OSHA "providing safe and healthy workplaces," state and national monuments, The USDA, census bureau, department of energy, customs and border protection, department of education, secret service, department of justice, national weather service, the white house, government itself, law itself, and last but definitely not least Civilization?

These taxpayer funded programs benefit each and every one of us in one way or another, Bernie vows to have them pay their fair share just as the blue collar man pays his -- and he vows to use it much more efficiently than the current state of affairs.

Commie Sanders will do what ever the people who fund his campaign tell him to do.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Enochstask

No it isn't at all you do know every western country has social structures in and I didn't see us all join the Soviet block when we could have.
Bleating BS doesn't make it true.

And all the Western countries are in great shape aren't they? Look at Greece that is where we are headed by taking care of folks cradle to grave.