North Korea conducts 'successful' hydrogen bomb test

a reply to: Bedlam

Honestly...Does China have a "hands-off" declaration for Kim? Why hasn't anybody whacked this nut-bag yet?

How long can a mad king survive without his own military going all Caeser on him? Or the US or other Western Powers assassinating him? That is what I always wonder..

Kim Jong-Un EXECUTES his defence minister with an anti-aircraft gun in front of hundreds of spectators - because he dozed off during a North Korean military ceremony
www.dailymail.co.uk... y-events-answering-back.html

North Korea leader executes about 15 officials in 2015
www.cnn.com...

a reply to: odzeandennz

Uhhhh....no we don't.

originally posted by: ParanormalGuy

originally posted by: Gothmog
SO , with their history of this kind of deal , I would say they split a handful of atoms and called it a successful h-Bomb test

Sorry , try again NK

Split? No, that would be fission.

You do know that all nuclear weapons are powered by fission , yes ?

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Bedlam

I wouldn't feel bad for them.

So no need this time around, not likely in the future with NK cause good luck to them getting their centrifuge working again?

It got blowed up good, along with their missile maggots and their key scientists, back when they met their little friend, Proteus.

Since, they've been using badly contaminated Pu from a production run some years back. I haven't kept up with it for a few years now, though. Also heard they were trying to get their uranium program going again.

a reply to: Indigo5

I don't believe all of the stories coming out of South Korea even more so from their security agencies

If the NK want to get rid of him they must be easily be able to do it,they have special forces trained from childhood if they want him gone he's gone

Our continual mocking of him and his country might even be propping him up as patriots dig their heels in and support him more for their country :-/

a reply to: Bedlam


Question for the simple minded. The media says it will be a while before we confirm what it was. How exactly do they confirm it? Satellite data? Spy net? Phone calls to allies? I just don't have enough knowledge to get my head around it.

anyway good day to you..always dig your posts.

a reply to: howmuch4another

Airborne sampling for increased radiation, seismic readings, etc. A nuclear explosion has a very specific seismic signature.

They'll send the WC-135 to the area to get atmospheric samples and look for any evidence of radioactive particles.

a reply to: howmuch4another

When the country was split in two families were seperated so my guess is plenty of spies on both sides of the borders

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thanks Zaph. How in NK do we get airborne readings? Do we just stay over SK airspace and that is close enough to sample or do we flyover? Or is it at satellite alts.?

eta just saw your edit...thanks again.

a reply to: Whereismypassword

that makes sense

a reply to: howmuch4another

It spreads pretty far. IIRC there was a U-2 flying at 70,000 feet several hundred, or more, miles from a test site that got radiation warnings and had to go through decontamination on landing.

Constant Phoenix has some incredibly sensitive sensors that air passes through on the side of the aircraft that collect particles to be analyzed. That's how they confirmed the 2009 test.

originally posted by: howmuch4another
a reply to: Bedlam


Question for the simple minded. The media says it will be a while before we confirm what it was.

What Zaphod said, and they have to run models on the seismic data. We had the baseline data on their original site so we could determine the yield and whatnot pretty quickly, but when they moved it, you have to do a bunch of looking at historic seismic activity data and recalculate. The claims of "4.7kt" are too low, the other I've seen for 30kt is too high, the internal supersekret guess was between 9 and 10kT, which is still sort of on the crappy side but a lot better than their first two shots.

eta: and it definitely wasn't at 0 feet, either, it was a hair deeper than the first two, the depth they stated might have actually been true for once.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
so the west gets antsy when NK tests nukes, not the US. we detonate NUKES for testing all the time, no one bats an eye.

let NK test nukes, they can do so as a country. we have the most NUKES and dropped them on another country, im not sure where the UN was then.

maybe NK had an ambiguous detonation of something. if numbers dont lie, then, NK is not the NUKE threat to the world; its others.

no...we most certainly do not.

now if this was mid 1960...well first off I wouldn't be on ATS...but I'd say...yes we constantly test

1992 was our last test. Before that, we were in a period of underground testing only due to treaties. Now we just don't do it.

What we DO test is delivery only with mock, warheads. These mock warheads have oodles of instruments in them to simulate how delivery went and many other things

but no, we haven't actually detonated a weapon since 1992.

As far as this hydrogen BS....I know Bedlam has it well covered...as a former 2W2 (MMIII 78 and 87) I can say that his "H bomb" is not an H-bomb as a proper boosted warhead would be. Now, we CAN have H-Bombs that are "smaller." Not all thermo devices are going to be Ivy Mike or Bravo class weapons...and don't get me wrong when I say even a non-boosted weapon can devastate...but that isn't a proper hydrogen device

a reply to: Bedlam

as a side note...I know I should know this

what do you do? What is your expertise?

It's clear that said expertise is legit and TRUST ME I am honestly asking as a curious bit and not one of those "oh Bedlam i saying stuff...is he really an expert" type thing

just wanted to ask

a reply to: Zaphod58

a reply to: Bedlam


thanks again for the mini education guys!

originally posted by: KyoZero
Now, we CAN have H-Bombs that are "smaller." Not all thermo devices are going to be Ivy Mike or Bravo class weapons...and don't get me wrong when I say even a non-boosted weapon can devastate...but that isn't a proper hydrogen device

I agree...you have to have a minimum primary size to set off a second stage. Below a certain yield it doesn't make sense to bother with all the complications of a second stage, just make a primary do the job.

Had they set off a 120kt and called it a thermonuke, then yup, probably. But 9-10kT isn't even a proper boosted fission rig.

They're getting premature detonation due to the extremely crappy plutonium they're using. And the design might be crap too.

originally posted by: KyoZero
a reply to: Bedlam

as a side note...I know I should know this

what do you do? What is your expertise?

Well, technically I am in radar design. Practically, I do just about any sort of military/industrial design, but lately I've been doing systems integration work for a Big Aero Guy, on several Really Interesting Projects, some of which involve you going along sort of like a parachute packer, I suppose.

Before that, I worked at Los Alamos for ESA.

And before that, I did bad things for Uncle Sam for a while. So it's a sort of mixed bag.

a reply to: Bedlam

well then....that explains why I understand a good deal of your language

Admittedly my entire work is DOD as a W78 and W87 tech....but I have plenty of dealing with DOE and depot...though I've never had to reach to LANL or any of those level of affiliates

nice to meet you...but to stay more on topic

I like that you are bringing a solid amount of reality to this...I have a great deal of my set of knowledge...but I won't lie...I'm a bit in awe

To the general thread...I've always had a hard time believing anything that NK or Glorious Leader says but it is curious that they are pushing so hard to get the Hydro word out

but then again they'll do anything for a scare tactic

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: howmuch4another

It spreads pretty far. IIRC there was a U-2 flying at 70,000 feet several hundred, or more, miles from a test site that got radiation warnings and had to go through decontamination on landing.

Constant Phoenix has some incredibly sensitive sensors that air passes through on the side of the aircraft that collect particles to be analyzed. That's how they confirmed the 2009 test.

I just read this....

A US reconnaissance plane flew out of Japan’s Okinawa Island ten minutes before North Korea tested its “miniaturized” hydrogen bomb on Sunday, Japanese media reported.

sputniknews.com...

a reply to: Bedlam KyoZero

always nice to see people that actually know what they are talking about.


as someone who has also worked around the periphery of the trident system
i also have serious doubts that this test was any more than a dud
and detonation of a poor fission device.

there is the possibility of it maybe the first stage of a failed two stage device but i doubt it
as you all say its just not a large enough detonation.

it will be interesting to see what useful data makes it out to the public domain in the next while.