Cops Sic Dogs On Suicidal Teen:

A Florida mother fearing for her child’s safety called local police for a welfare check of her son who had made a noose, only to have the two responding Officer’s K-9s eat his face off.

The Florida K9 cop called for a welfare check on a suicidal teen foreshadowed the bloody mauling of Jared Lemay, texting his fellow North Port Police officer: “COME GET UR BITE.”

While Lemay lay permanently disfigured in the Emergency Room, fellow North Port Officers congratulated Dietz and Bush on their savage attack.

The North Port Police Department is besieged with Civil Rights Violation Lawsuits involving North Port’s K-9 unit.

Lemay’s vicious attack in 2012 was only 1 of 34 attacks by the small Florida town’s police dogs over the course of five years which was only brought to light recently in an investigative report by the Sarasota Herald-Tribune.

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Another Florida police department shares a photo of North Port’s most violent human/K-9 team in action in a skills challenge.
North Port has just short of 60,000 residents, which means one out of every 1,800 residents has felt the hot breath of their “trained to maim” police K-9s breaking open flesh in stark contrast to the rare nature of these incidents before 2010.

So the police reprimanded their officer Keith Bush for sending unprofessional text
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link warning the link have graphic pic of teen's face but recommend klik and scroll down.
This is not a great up beat thread for the new year, but it have to be known , can we hire people who are not from the bottom of a putrid fish tank to police our communities, these guys belonged in jail and I hope the parents sue the pants off Florida P.D

a reply to: Spider879

Looks like, or seems like to me at least, that "your bite" would be their "slang" for using his dog, or another dog.

Is it distasteful? Yes. Is that the actual story though? Just the distasteful text? Kind of petty to me. Seems to me that the use of the dog was warranted as the guy fled and hid (his own account).

Everyone seems to think that the medias portrayal of LEO's are bloodthirsty goons looking to kill someone is 100% accurate. I wish they would take the time to read the whole story and realize there is more than one accounting of the story. There are bad people, citizens and LEO's.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879

Looks like, or seems like to me at least, that "your bite" would be their "slang" for using his dog, or another dog.

Is it distasteful? Yes. Is that the actual story though? Just the distasteful text? Kind of petty to me. Seems to me that the use of the dog was warranted as the guy fled and hid (his own account).

Everyone seems to think that the medias portrayal of LEO's are bloodthirsty goons looking to kill someone is 100% accurate. I wish they would take the time to read the whole story and realize there is more than one accounting of the story. There are bad people, citizens and LEO's.

Did you just gave those cops a pass?? please read on

North Port K-9 Officer Keith Bush received the call from dispatch on Lemay’s situation.

That’s when he invited his fellow K-9 Officer Michael Dietz to “COME GET UR BITE.”

Officer Bush was referring to Dietz’s K-9 Belgian Malinois named Cammo.

Officer Bush, grew impatient with Officer Dietz for not responding, and messaged Dietz again.

“IM GONNA TAKE UR BITE IF YOU DON’T HURRY UP.”

“CONGRATS,” Officer William Carter wrote to Dietz.

Fellow Officer McHale inquired to Officer Bush, “YOUR BITE OR (Dietz’s)?”

“I LET (Dietz) HAVE IT,” Bush responded.

Officer McHale congratulated Officer Bush, “NICE, HOW BAD?”

“BAD,” Bush responded. “FACE AND BACK.”

“SKIN GRAFT BAD?” Officer McHale inquired.

“NO,” Bush responded.

“COULDA BEEN WORSE THEN, HE SHOULD HAVE COMPLIED,” McHale stated.
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What's the other side of the story again??

a reply to: superman2012

Yeah, I'd like to know what he did to warrant bring attacked by a dog. Some K9 handlers do give German Sheps a bad name. I'm guessing it has something to do with the people who run out into traffic instead of walking 6' away from my dogs, through two rows of fences.

The reason for the two fences is to protect my dogs from the whackos, while also providing 500 sq ft of protected garden space.

ETA: saw the post above me now, sure sounds like he did nothing to warrant the attack. "Comply or Feel the Pain."

a reply to: Spider879

In before someone makes this topic about race.

a reply to: Spider879
Give them a pass? No. Said there's more to the story? Yes.
Give them a pass for using their own slang? Yes. Believe that it isn't distasteful slang? No.

I did read the article, thanks for reposting exactly what I was talking about though. I fail to see how copying and pasting something that we all have (presumably) read makes your argument?

If he had complied, the dog would not have been let loose (presumably). How is that hard to understand?

Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to see there are two sides.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Give them a pass? No. Said there's more to the story? Yes.
Give them a pass for using their own slang? Yes. Believe that it isn't distasteful slang? No.

I did read the article, thanks for reposting exactly what I was talking about though. I fail to see how copying and pasting something that we all have (presumably) read makes your argument?

If he had complied, the dog would not have been let loose (presumably). How is that hard to understand?

Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to see there are two sides.

He heard the cops coming and jumped into a trash can, which they then overturned and sic the dogs on him, I don't know the procedure for detaining someone for being suicidal but how hard could it be to just hand cuff the kid after dumping him on the floor.

I heard a knock on the door, and I ran into the garage and jumped in the trash can,” Lemay later said. “I decided to hide. That was just my instinct at the moment.”

K-9 Cammo was released into the garage and indicated Lemay was hiding inside a trash can. Officer Dietz retrieved Cammo and ordered Lemay to exit the trash can.

Officer Bush then pushed the can over, spilling Jared Lemay onto the ground.

“I remember hitting the ground on my hands to brace myself from falling, and I looked up at them, and I went to say ‘OK, OK,’ and the guy sicced the dog on me as soon as I started to talk,” said the injured Lemay. “I remember (the Fdog’s) mouth coming toward me and latching onto my face. He literally drug me out of the trash can.”
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So because they ordered him out rather than trying to coax him out the action was correct?? the kid was suicidal which by definition off his rockers, not that he was being violent or had a weapon or anything, I just don't see the justification for that.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Give them a pass? No. Said there's more to the story? Yes.
Give them a pass for using their own slang? Yes. Believe that it isn't distasteful slang? No.

I did read the article, thanks for reposting exactly what I was talking about though. I fail to see how copying and pasting something that we all have (presumably) read makes your argument?

If he had complied, the dog would not have been let loose (presumably). How is that hard to understand?

Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to see there are two sides.

He heard the cops coming and jumped into a trash can, which they then overturned and sic the dogs on him, I don't know the procedure for detaining someone for being suicidal but how hard could it be to just hand cuff the kid after dumping him on the floor.

I heard a knock on the door, and I ran into the garage and jumped in the trash can,” Lemay later said. “I decided to hide. That was just my instinct at the moment.”

K-9 Cammo was released into the garage and indicated Lemay was hiding inside a trash can. Officer Dietz retrieved Cammo and ordered Lemay to exit the trash can.

Officer Bush then pushed the can over, spilling Jared Lemay onto the ground.

“I remember hitting the ground on my hands to brace myself from falling, and I looked up at them, and I went to say ‘OK, OK,’ and the guy sicced the dog on me as soon as I started to talk,” said the injured Lemay. “I remember (the Fdog’s) mouth coming toward me and latching onto my face. He literally drug me out of the trash can.”
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So because they ordered him out rather than trying to coax him out the action was correct?? the kid was suicidal which by definition off his rockers, not that he was being violent or had a weapon or anything, I just don't see the justification for that.

I don't know I mean he was suicidal, he put himself in that predicament, he is lucky he didn't get what he wanted. I'm willing to bet he wasn't even really suicidal, just looking for attention as most are..

a reply to: Spider879

These reports of police using unnecessary deadly and brutal force is beginning to be as common as mass shootings! We may have a hard time knowing where the next mentally ill person will engage in a mass shooting, but we certainly know there's a problem with training and setting strict parameters with police when it comes to using brutal and deadly force!

Obama is quick to address the issue of gun control laws after every mass shooting, yet where is he on pushing for a national forum on the over use of deadly force by police in this country? There should be re-training of all police officers in this country setting strict parameters when it's ok to draw their guns or to use deadly force. Every police officer should clearly understand if these training standards are not strictly followed, they can and will be prosecuted! This type of behavior from police is more in-line with a tyrannical government then from a country who is always pointing their fingers at others about human rights abuse.

Again, a few bad apples give a negative perspective on police in general. I'm not saying all police are quick to use force, but police departments across this country need to start weeding some of these cowboys out of their ranks. A complete re-training will make sure every police officer knows there are limits to using deadly and brutal force.

They should be fired. Bragging about what they did besides? They're supposed to serve and protect. That kid didn't have a chance. This could have and should have been handled differently.

a reply to: superman2012

you are kidding right? they send texts beforehand saying come get some i'm going to get some and if you don't hurry im gonna be the only one to get in on the fun "get my bite" and I assume this is before he has even reached the scene of a suicidal teen. You really think maybe the situation called for letting the dog lose when the cop had already decided he was gonna get his bite before even arriving at the scene? Then afterword there are congratulations. A kid's face is mauled and there are congratulations and you think maybe we should not judge as there may be more to the story? I see nothing that could make me feel different unless the teen had a weapon and even then i would wanna know why the cop had already made his mind up as how this was gonna go down before even arriving.

a reply to: theySeeme

yeah cops beforehand text each other saying im gonna sic my dog on someone and if you don;t hurry you won't get to do it too, they then do exactly as they said they would congratulate themselves on the mauling of a kids face and we should probably question if the teen was really suicidal and that he should consider himself lucky. Yeah like your name says "I see you"

originally posted by: keenmachine
a reply to: theySeeme

yeah cops beforehand text each other saying im gonna sic my dog on someone and if you don;t hurry you won't get to do it too, they then do exactly as they said they would congratulate themselves on the mauling of a kids face and we should probably question if the teen was really suicidal and that he should consider himself lucky. Yeah like your name says "I see you"

Well I mean, you are making the assumption that you know all the facts to this story - it's only right I counter that by doing the same.

What I do know from what's stated in the story is that the man hung a noose inside of the garage, sister calls cops, cops don't arrive until half an hour later. That's an aweful long time to wait to kill yourself, seems more like a cry for attention, and not a genuine suicide attempt. Suicide isn't hard, if you really want to die, you will.

Cops didn't find him hanging, they found him hiding in a garbage can - a suicidal man is dangerous (as we see with jihadist and the japanese kamikazi), better take no chances.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Give them a pass? No. Said there's more to the story? Yes.
Give them a pass for using their own slang? Yes. Believe that it isn't distasteful slang? No.

I did read the article, thanks for reposting exactly what I was talking about though. I fail to see how copying and pasting something that we all have (presumably) read makes your argument?

If he had complied, the dog would not have been let loose (presumably). How is that hard to understand?

Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to see there are two sides.

The kid wasn't wanted to questioning in a crime, nor did he seem to be acting in a violent, aggressive way. You don't think having a dog maul his face is excessive force?

Further, you don't see an issue with their stated mindset of "do what we say or we will have our dogs maul you"? Or that they congratulate each other on having their dogs attack people, actually aiming for the need of skin grafts?

That all seems ok?

a reply to: keenmachine

Ya, nothing wrong with that pig(I seldom use the word but it fits)..it is sounds like a premeditated assault followed by a circle jerk by a bunch of socio/psychopaths.

a reply to: Spider879

Not much to add here -- except @#$^$%&*)%^*#!!! -- but here's a couple interesting articles explaing how and why these cops get away with their criminal behavior if you're interested:

Why It's Basically Impossible to Prosecute Police Killings in Washington State

Ties that bind

This particular police department clearly overuses their K9 force. All of the information in the article would indicate this to be the case.

The string of texts sent before and after the event indicate a group of people less interested in justice and more interested in hunting humans for sport.

Given that the kid was reported as being suicidal is just another case that shows that law enforcement officers need more training in handling mentally ill people. Not all mentally ill people are dangerous. Some are, and the police need some additional training to be able to make more informed decisions about how to handle these people on a case-by-case basis.

I can find no evidence, given the situation as presented in this article, of this being a proper method of handling this situation.

-dex

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: keenmachine
a reply to: theySeeme

yeah cops beforehand text each other saying im gonna sic my dog on someone and if you don;t hurry you won't get to do it too, they then do exactly as they said they would congratulate themselves on the mauling of a kids face and we should probably question if the teen was really suicidal and that he should consider himself lucky. Yeah like your name says "I see you"

Well I mean, you are making the assumption that you know all the facts to this story - it's only right I counter that by doing the same.

What I do know from what's stated in the story is that the man hung a noose inside of the garage, sister calls cops, cops don't arrive until half an hour later. That's an aweful long time to wait to kill yourself, seems more like a cry for attention, and not a genuine suicide attempt. Suicide isn't hard, if you really want to die, you will.

Cops didn't find him hanging, they found him hiding in a garbage can - a suicidal man is dangerous (as we see with jihadist and the japanese kamikazi), better take no chances.

well they certainly took no chances by deciding and discussing before even arriving they were gonna get their bite and i can't help but find it suspicious that in this terrible incident your first reaction is to question the boy's sincerity and call him lucky, given what we do know. I guess you find their texts, actions and high fives afterward as normal and acceptable behavior but the teen with his insincere suicidal thoughts the root problem in this incident.

People fleeing or hiding isn't aggressive or violent behaviour but is treated as suspicious as you wouldn't do it if you were law abiding. More people get hurt fleeing when compared to those acting aggressively.

They are trained to seek obedience from the "suspect", non conformity can lead to undesirable situations as the officer doesn't have full control. Until the suspect "yields" he is in danger. Basic training.

But yes applied to this it does seem rather extreme.

My main blame lies with dispatch, not conveying the correct information. This is what happens when parties don't understand the whole situation.

originally posted by: keenmachine

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: keenmachine
a reply to: theySeeme

yeah cops beforehand text each other saying im gonna sic my dog on someone and if you don;t hurry you won't get to do it too, they then do exactly as they said they would congratulate themselves on the mauling of a kids face and we should probably question if the teen was really suicidal and that he should consider himself lucky. Yeah like your name says "I see you"

Well I mean, you are making the assumption that you know all the facts to this story - it's only right I counter that by doing the same.

What I do know from what's stated in the story is that the man hung a noose inside of the garage, sister calls cops, cops don't arrive until half an hour later. That's an aweful long time to wait to kill yourself, seems more like a cry for attention, and not a genuine suicide attempt. Suicide isn't hard, if you really want to die, you will.

Cops didn't find him hanging, they found him hiding in a garbage can - a suicidal man is dangerous (as we see with jihadist and the japanese kamikazi), better take no chances.

well they certainly took no chances by deciding and discussing before even arriving they were gonna get their bite and i can't help but find it suspicious that in this terrible incident your first reaction is to question the boy's sincerity and call him lucky, given what we do know. I guess you find their texts, actions and high fives afterward as normal and acceptable behavior but the teen with his insincere suicidal thoughts the root problem in this incident.

But see, what you seem to not grasp is the fact that dispatch specifically requested a K9 unit, these guys didn't just show up on their own - every police call is not accompanied by a K-9... So.