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these guys didn't just show up on their own - every police call is not accompanied by a K-9... So.
He heard the cops coming and jumped into a trash can, which they then overturned and sic the dogs on him, I don't know the procedure for detaining someone for being suicidal but how hard could it be to just hand cuff the kid after dumping him on the floor.
So because they ordered him out rather than trying to coax him out the action was correct?? the kid was suicidal which by definition off his rockers, not that he was being violent or had a weapon or anything, I just don't see the justification for that.
originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Everyone seems to think that the medias portrayal of LEO's are bloodthirsty goons looking to kill someone is 100% accurate. I wish they would take the time to read the whole story and realize there is more than one accounting of the story. There are bad people, citizens and LEO's.
originally posted by: keenmachine
a reply to: superman2012
you are kidding right? they send texts beforehand saying come get some i'm going to get some and if you don't hurry im gonna be the only one to get in on the fun "get my bite" and I assume this is before he has even reached the scene of a suicidal teen. You really think maybe the situation called for letting the dog lose when the cop had already decided he was gonna get his bite before even arriving at the scene? Then afterword there are congratulations. A kid's face is mauled and there are congratulations and you think maybe we should not judge as there may be more to the story? I see nothing that could make me feel different unless the teen had a weapon and even then i would wanna know why the cop had already made his mind up as how this was gonna go down before even arriving.
originally posted by: charolais
originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Everyone seems to think that the medias portrayal of LEO's are bloodthirsty goons looking to kill someone is 100% accurate. I wish they would take the time to read the whole story and realize there is more than one accounting of the story. There are bad people, citizens and LEO's.
In all reality the media is not that brutal to LEO's. There are dozens (even hundreds) of stories out there that they could pick up but they don't.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Give them a pass? No. Said there's more to the story? Yes.
Give them a pass for using their own slang? Yes. Believe that it isn't distasteful slang? No.
I did read the article, thanks for reposting exactly what I was talking about though. I fail to see how copying and pasting something that we all have (presumably) read makes your argument?
If he had complied, the dog would not have been let loose (presumably). How is that hard to understand?
Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to see there are two sides.
The kid wasn't wanted to questioning in a crime, nor did he seem to be acting in a violent, aggressive way. You don't think having a dog maul his face is excessive force?
Further, you don't see an issue with their stated mindset of "do what we say or we will have our dogs maul you"? Or that they congratulate each other on having their dogs attack people, actually aiming for the need of skin grafts?
That all seems ok?
originally posted by: superman2012
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Give them a pass? No. Said there's more to the story? Yes.
Give them a pass for using their own slang? Yes. Believe that it isn't distasteful slang? No.
I did read the article, thanks for reposting exactly what I was talking about though. I fail to see how copying and pasting something that we all have (presumably) read makes your argument?
If he had complied, the dog would not have been let loose (presumably). How is that hard to understand?
Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to see there are two sides.
The kid wasn't wanted to questioning in a crime, nor did he seem to be acting in a violent, aggressive way. You don't think having a dog maul his face is excessive force?
Further, you don't see an issue with their stated mindset of "do what we say or we will have our dogs maul you"? Or that they congratulate each other on having their dogs attack people, actually aiming for the need of skin grafts?
That all seems ok?
Glad to see you know exactly how it went down. Which officer were you? Care to share how it went down exactly so we can make up our minds?
Comply or get hurt? They are charged with protecting people, even ones that want to do damage to themselves. I'd say they were successful in stopping this idiot from killing himself.
originally posted by: superman2012
I'd say they were successful in stopping this idiot from killing himself.
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: superman2012
I'd say they were successful in stopping this idiot from killing himself.
Yep. The only thing not going through that kid's mind as the dog was eating him alive was, "I'm gonna hang myself right after this is over with." LOL
originally posted by: superman2012
originally posted by: keenmachine
a reply to: superman2012
you are kidding right? they send texts beforehand saying come get some i'm going to get some and if you don't hurry im gonna be the only one to get in on the fun "get my bite" and I assume this is before he has even reached the scene of a suicidal teen. You really think maybe the situation called for letting the dog lose when the cop had already decided he was gonna get his bite before even arriving at the scene? Then afterword there are congratulations. A kid's face is mauled and there are congratulations and you think maybe we should not judge as there may be more to the story? I see nothing that could make me feel different unless the teen had a weapon and even then i would wanna know why the cop had already made his mind up as how this was gonna go down before even arriving.
As I stated before, get my bite on, might be their slang for K9. Is it right? No. Distasteful? Yes. Against the law? No.
Congratulations? Yes. I would be too, the kid is alive, but the other people on here would still bemoan a LEO for shooting a man in the shoulder to stop him from shooting himself.
originally posted by: keenmachine
originally posted by: superman2012
originally posted by: keenmachine
a reply to: superman2012
you are kidding right? they send texts beforehand saying come get some i'm going to get some and if you don't hurry im gonna be the only one to get in on the fun "get my bite" and I assume this is before he has even reached the scene of a suicidal teen. You really think maybe the situation called for letting the dog lose when the cop had already decided he was gonna get his bite before even arriving at the scene? Then afterword there are congratulations. A kid's face is mauled and there are congratulations and you think maybe we should not judge as there may be more to the story? I see nothing that could make me feel different unless the teen had a weapon and even then i would wanna know why the cop had already made his mind up as how this was gonna go down before even arriving.
As I stated before, get my bite on, might be their slang for K9. Is it right? No. Distasteful? Yes. Against the law? No.
Congratulations? Yes. I would be too, the kid is alive, but the other people on here would still bemoan a LEO for shooting a man in the shoulder to stop him from shooting himself.
yeah i'm sure they were congratulating each other on the dog only snacking on the kids face and saving his life. you really believe that? I hope you never have a friend on the verge of suicide with no weapon but suicidal just the same would you beat him with a baseball bat and then go see him later so he can thank you for saving his life? I gotta believe there is a better way to help someone contemplating suicide than to sic an attack dog on him, but thats just me.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: superman2012
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Spider879
Give them a pass? No. Said there's more to the story? Yes.
Give them a pass for using their own slang? Yes. Believe that it isn't distasteful slang? No.
I did read the article, thanks for reposting exactly what I was talking about though. I fail to see how copying and pasting something that we all have (presumably) read makes your argument?
If he had complied, the dog would not have been let loose (presumably). How is that hard to understand?
Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to see there are two sides.
The kid wasn't wanted to questioning in a crime, nor did he seem to be acting in a violent, aggressive way. You don't think having a dog maul his face is excessive force?
Further, you don't see an issue with their stated mindset of "do what we say or we will have our dogs maul you"? Or that they congratulate each other on having their dogs attack people, actually aiming for the need of skin grafts?
That all seems ok?
Glad to see you know exactly how it went down. Which officer were you? Care to share how it went down exactly so we can make up our minds?
Comply or get hurt? They are charged with protecting people, even ones that want to do damage to themselves. I'd say they were successful in stopping this idiot from killing himself.
I thought we were discussing an article? My comments relate directly to quotes taken from the article.
It amounts to moving the goal posts: of course we don't know exactly what happened. We weren't there. Thats not what is being discussed....we are discussing the article and the information that actually is available. Including quotes from the offiers.
But my issue is not with what the officer is doing to try to save the victim's life. My issue is that the officer is simply delaying the inevitable. He probably would do the inconsolable person a favor by targeting center mass and releasing him from his pain.
originally posted by: superman2012
I was attempting to show that there might be a different way it happened because we don't have all the information....
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: superman2012
I'd say they were successful in stopping this idiot from killing himself.
Yep. The only thing not going through that kid's mind as the dog was eating him alive was, "I'm gonna hang myself right after this is over with." LOL