It is not the radical jihadists I fear. It is the Radical Right.

I love how your sort are always ragging on about how "only a tiny percentage of Muslims do this or do that" Don't judge them all


Here you are calling me a terrorist. Even I think what Donald Trump said was just retarded. I agree with his end message, that we need a method of vetting people from troubled areas of the world who are known to have a grudge against us, but not his method.

a reply to: ElectricFeel

For the time being I will worry more about bullets then ideas from an idiot. What makes you believe that one idiots words are more dangerous than shrapnel?

Many people would fear the radical right, and with good reason.

The radical right might espouse personal responsibility.
The radical right might espouse a work ethic.
The radical right might espouse independence from government handouts.

When did personal responsibility become a partisan issue? Shouldn't left and right espouse the same ethics?

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: ElectricFeel

1) Where is your evidence that the "majority of mass shooters were white Christian males"? From what I've read many of them leaned more towards atheism or anarchy, or were non-religious.

2) By immediately mentioning the "hundreds of thousands" of gun crime victims following this statement about white males, you are implying that white Christian males are a major source of gun crime. As others have pointed out this is patently false based on FBI data. Most gun crime is a result of gang violence or the war on drugs.

3) You say the far right is demonizing a whole group of people (Muslims) and that "Truth shall prevail over falsehood in the end". Well, the radical left demonizes a whole group of people (legal gun owners) even after mass shootings that are known to be terrorist / jihad inspired events.

If truth is to prevail you would have to acknowledge that the whole Islamaphobia narrative that you fear is exactly what the left does with their hoplophobic, anti-gun narrative.

source

Most mass shooters are white, Christian males. If you want more stats or links, I can provide them.

Legal gun owners should be fine. But so many of their guns end up in the hands of unstable family members and friends. That is one issue that should be solved.

The source you quote Occupy Democrats, derived it's data from ShootingTracker.com which provides the raw data for those statistics, which show the majority of the shooters is "Unknown" and exactly how that equates to Christian males is beyond me, and says nothing about ethnicity/race. If you are gonna make an assertion about these shootings, where did the ethnicity/race and religion data come from?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ElectricFeel

I agree, but good luck with this thread. I feel that many angry conservatives will be along to yell at you about how wrong you are.

Yeah, of course you agree...the op claims that hundreds of thousands have been murdered by white Christians and only 45 by Islamic extremists over the past decade... You don't even mention how distorted an untruth this statement is. Meanwhile, if it is true that this is what Trump said i disagree with him. i also disagree with the claim from this person that "hundreds of thousands have been murdered by white Christians, and only 45 or so by Islamic extremists in the past decade...

This shows the mentality of the left is to concoct false stories.

a reply to: intrptr

...and those fascist were socialist... But of course, you don't point that fact out...

I'll bet none of you fears heart disease which is the biggest killer in America by a long way. The thought of changing your unhealthy lifestyle isn't even an option many would consider, so keep on fearing the bogey men and being dictated to by the politics of fear

a reply to: DBCowboy I don't think radical anything espouses good ideas. I see lots of people blaming other sections of society rather than taking responsibility for their own flaws.

You do realize that the Nazis were Socialist Democrats don't you?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: intrptr

...and those fascist were socialist... But of course, you don't point that fact out...

They never do.

They also never point out that abortion started out as an eugenics movement (exactly what T4 euthanasia was - they learned this from Americans and the sterilization laws passed in Indiana by the ... ahem ...left).

"non-existent threat."? Sounds like you need a reality check...

Having read through this thread over breakfast, I think the original point has been proven many times over.

Nobody successfully challenged the point. Instead, there's a heck of a lot of justification, often in the style of TV news "analysis".

I'm old enough to remember people who were in Germany in the 1930s and they all said the same thing. Fascism doesn't start with death camps and yellow stars and smashing people's windows. Like Pastor Niemoller intimated, it starts with little things, all reasonable. Then it gets a little more serious, still reasonable, nobody does anything because it's happening to someone else. Then more serious, less reasonable but justifiable and it's happening to someone else. Then more serious but it doesn't affect you and, besides, it's for the good of all. Then deadly serious and you're complicit. Then it affects you.

If the TPTB - be they left wing, right wing or ring-a-ding-ding - can get away with doing it to them today, they'll do it to you tomorrow.

Fight the problem, not straw men and paper tigers.

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
You do realize that the Nazis were Socialist Democrats don't you?

Wrong. The Nazis were a far right party, shared a lot of aspects of Italian Fascism.Hitler started out trying to bring the workers and the upper class together under nationalism, but it ended up leaning very far right. The Nazis jailed and murdered a lot of socialists and communists, as many as 11,000 in 1936. They were a union of corporatism and totalitarian dictatorship. Hitler was an avowed ANTI socialist and anti communist. Nice try.

a reply to: ElectricFeel
The Kool Aide is strong with this thread.
Left right left right left right..............its called being in step.
And its working.
Trump wont get the nomination. My own personal feeling. He is a blowhard and a bully. I have no time for someone of his ilk.

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: ElectricFeel[...] mass shooters [...] many of them leaned more towards atheism or anarchy, or were non-religious.

How does one determine that somebody is an anarchist, I wonder? It's not a registered religion..

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Many people would fear the radical right, and with good reason.

I do not fear any opinion. I am however opposed to radicalism. Of any kind.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: intrptr

...and those fascist were socialist... But of course, you don't point that fact out…

nono… thy pretend they are sociable, to get support. In the end its whatever they say goes, because unmasked these pretend democratic socialists are really dictators.

Witness Hitlers Germany. He started the National Socialist workers party, a ruse to get everyone to go along, until he unveiled his true colors- world conquest, purely for control freak disfunction.

a reply to: matafuchs

You know that Islamic followers, not just jihadists, will enter a village, kill all of the elders, men and children, rape the woman and they are then in control? Ethnic cleansing and killing all those who oppose.

This has less to do with religion than subversion of a targeted state's infrastructure. Killing a few people in a contested area with strategic military importance serves to drive the rest out so the Insurgent force can then make war with the military employing guerrilla tactics.

Like mining, booby traps, destruction of the town and driving out the citizenry makes the government have to respond to reclaim the territory by force, causing further destruction of the towns infrastructure that then has to be rebuilt, refugees cared for in the mean time, and loss of combat strength, ammunition, vehicles, manpower, resources, etc, etc.

This Jihadist claim to sacrifice all those that don't believe is the ruse to get people like you to believe its some kind of holy war, when the murderers are far from religious, they are part of the overall covert operation as insurgents to take down Syria, one piece at a time.

You should read up on guerrilla warfare. I been keeping tabs on what is occurring there in Syria and that is textbook clandestine guerrilla warfare.

Make thread, compare conservative(s) to Nazis, obtain stars and flags, rinse and repeat.

seriously though here's a challenge to OP. If you are so scared of the right, answer this question?

Would you survive longer getting dropped off in the middle of ISIS occupied Syria or the GOP convention?

Who would burn you in a cage and post it on line?

Who would sell your family as sex slaves before they murder them?

a reply to: Indigo5

Wrong. They did not buy them. Even though the Obama administration failed to properly vet them, they still got the guns illegally.

laist.com...

Enrique Marquez, who investigators say purchased the assault rifles used in the San Bernardino shootings,