Evangelical Preacher on Trial After Branding Islam 'Satanic'

the person i responded to said rape was COMMANDED in the OT. He is incorrect. I am challenging him on it. I am pretty sure he refers to passages about captives that a rational person could find implicit support for rape in. However rape is not commanded. God in fact only barely tolerated captive taking and put into law that they should be freed on jubilees that occurred regularly.

On occasion God had the jews/or proto-jews conquer nation or city states. In some cases to preserve the bloodline of the savior God commanded entire nations or cities states be wiped out to include women and children. No captives. The Jews; could not do it. they disobeyed and let many live or escape. this disobedience cause peril to the bloodline and caused God to intervene via the flood. this sort of reluctance which is understandable on humanitarian grounds also led to the corruption of the priesthood about 400 years before Christ.

regardless of how one judges these facts only someone being deliberately dense would think these commands were more than one time circumstantial directives for a given situation. IOW it is ignorant to think these commands are perpetually in force like Mosaic Law is.

originally posted by: dreamingawake

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Satan has nothing to do with actual Satanists or their beliefs, they just use the name to upset uptight Christians.

This may be but it is irrelevant to the Christian use of the term "satanic." Satanists have no monopoly on the term. It's Christian usage predates the"satanist's" usage.

No, they do have it. Satan is a polytheistic heathen God which existed before Jesus and the bible's teachings of monotheism.

Theistic Satanists believe in Satan.

Satan means the adversary in semitic languages or rather many languages in the ME. That is why you hear muslims calling Adversary nations the great satan or the little satan. That... and they know it cheeses us off sort of like the satanist's usage of it.

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: dreamingawake

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Satan has nothing to do with actual Satanists or their beliefs, they just use the name to upset uptight Christians.

This may be but it is irrelevant to the Christian use of the term "satanic." Satanists have no monopoly on the term. It's Christian usage predates the"satanist's" usage.

No, they do have it. Satan is a polytheistic heathen God which existed before Jesus and the bible's teachings of monotheism.

Theistic Satanists believe in Satan.

Satan means the adversary in semitic languages or rather many languages in the ME. That is why you hear muslims calling Adversary nations the great satan or the little satan. That... and they know it cheeses us off sort of like the satanist's usage of it.

Yes but he existed under a different name, Enki.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: stormbringer1701

In the Quran the penalty for adultery is to get whipped. Wahhabis and Taliban crazies and extremist in Islam do that crazy stoning stuff. They didn't get it from the Quran

ITS NOT IN THE QURAN TO STONE FOR THIS!

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, -
flog them each with a hundred stripes.
-- Sura 24:2

This was almost 1500 year ago to primitive Arabs.

The OT is worst! Its ALL pre-modern punishments that shouldn't apply to today, imo

but they did get it from some of the hadiths or commentaries though; right?

and again would you please cite a verse from the OT where rape is COMMANDED? not some verse about captives where one could deduce that rape may have been happening, either. Where is rape commanded? This is like saying christians are to worship aeshtar because the congregation had to work around the roman pagan festival in order to secure permission to bury Jesus.

This!

Old topic on ATS, is this what we all forgot?

And.... This also!

The Satanic Verses

Seems funny now how all this was brushed under the rug and radar huh

Well, Satan does mean Adversary, which can mean enemy. It literally like pointing and saying Witch. The only difference is the Christians say Satan, while for Muslums, just point Allah that way.

I'd say his best defence would be to plead insanity...

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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: shooterbrody

"LONDON (AP) -- An evangelical preacher from Northern Ireland who branded Islam satanic has been charged with spreading a "grossly offensive" message."

"The sermon was streamed online, and 78-year-old McConnell has been charged with transmitting the message over an electronic communications network."

EVANGELICAL PREACHER ON TRIAL AFTER BRANDING ISLAM 'SATANIC'

Having an opinion that is not in line with the government about Islam is now illegal? Right on euros pick and choose what people of faith can preach and believe. Because you know those who shoot and bomb over there are never followers of Islam. People who follow Islam would never do those things.

This is crazy that you don't have free speech over there across the pond. Also, Muslim Clerics will constantly call for the killing of Jews and Christians even in the 'moderate' mosques. How do THEY get away with this?

They get away with it, because the washed masses deep down believe they could never take over the world, that they are inferior, and that they can be eliminated totally at the push of a button.

And because it is darned entertaining.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Satan has nothing to do with actual Satanists or their beliefs, they just use the name to upset uptight Christians.

Nah, they do it to make Masons believe something else is going on, something good that they can all agree upon....

a reply to: shooterbrody

There are, I am certain, many in the U.S., and many site members, who would applaud this, and would love to see it happen in the States.

Sick. Like it or not, he has a right to his opinion, and to state it publicly.

originally posted by: Specimen
Well, Satan does mean Adversary, which can mean enemy. It literally like pointing and saying Witch. The only difference is the Christians say Satan, while for Muslums, just point Allah that way.

I don't believe he meant it as adversary but rather Satanic as that they torture and kill, similar to when "Satanic Cults" are blamed for gruesome murders. He's blaming ISIL's behavior on all Muslims which of course is wrong. While I don't agree at all what he said, find it ignorant, I do agree he has a right to say it. It's odd that courts have favored otherwise. Assuming they see the behavior as detrimental because it's said to be influencing people to commit crimes against Muslims.

originally posted by: OuttaHere
I was once followed around by an Islamic woman who muttered under her breath at me. I thought she was a bit mad and so I ignored her, but then one day I paused and strained to hear what she was saying. I heard, "Vile Christian heathen! Allah will killll youuuu."

I am NOT making this up. This was in 1986 in rural upstate New York.

I had done absolutely nothing to warrant this woman's weird hostility. It came from her murderous ideology and her benighted religion, following a God of hate, death, and oppression of all others.

At that time I concluded for myself that this woman, at least, was evil. I wondered if Allah did indeed want me dead, and if so, to me that meant ALLAH IS SATAN. I started educating myself about Islam, which I had regarded up until that time as just another of the world's various (mostly) peacefully coexisting religions. My experience with this woman gave me a new understanding of the mindset of the extremists during the Iranian revolution and the hostage crisis under Jimmy Carter. And that was my introduction to radical Islam. Which is, IMO, Satanic in a way which even Satanism is not. Because Satanists don't actually believe in their deity, whereas radical Islamists do. And Allah wants them to slaughter all the vile Christian heathen. To a Christian, a deity which desires the slaughter of Christians is by definition anti-christian and thus Satanic. It's not really up for debate; to a Christian that is pretty much the definition of the word "Satanic".

So yeah, not a popular message but certainly not one worthy of incarceration, either.

Wow, that's a lot more intense than what I have seen! I have had a couple of negative experiences with Muslims, all women and children. Once I was in a mall (rare for me), and checking out a cooking gadget place that was going out of business. I had a baby in a stroller and went up this one narrow aisle near the front, by a wall. This group of several Muslim women with children came in, looked around, saw me, and, after a few words, came and totally blocked the end of the aisle, so I couldn't get through. I said, "Excuse me" several times, to which the only response was a few more crowding in to the aisle. Having the baby with me, the only option was to back out, which wasn't easy. Utterly rude, nasty behavior, and the response would have been different had I been alone.

Another time, in a Walmart grocery section, I saw, at the far end, a Muslim woman and her son. These aisles are WIDE, with plenty of room for three carts to pass one another, easily. She saw me, moved her cart from beside her to sideways across most of the aisle, and told her son something, whereupon he moved to block the other end. Well, at this point, I wasn't putting up with it, and headed right for the kid with my own cart, much faster than I'd been moving. He and the cart were cleared before I got there.

The final one was the reaction of a clerk at the same location. Muslim woman, with whom I had previously had several pleasant exchanges, chatting about this and that. Never an issue. Then, I used a check one evening, because my bank card had been compromised. My checks happen to have Bible verses on them. She saw that, and from that point on, avoided all conversation with me. No religious discussion ever came up, either. She just didn't like that I was Christian.

I know people who have had Muslim guys complain that they were eating pork in a restaurant, and others experienced aisle blocking similar to what I have seen. Sad that governments will not go after those Muslim teachers pushing violence, but will go after this man for stating an opinion.

Being followed like you were....that's intense. A real threat, too. Some of them will act as "lone wolves" as well, because various imams encourage that. Remember the spitting Muslim women?

This pastor didn't preach a PC message, and he told the truth, so of course, he's targeted. Nothing we didn't know would happen, though!

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: ngchunter

It's important to remember the context here though, in that Belfast has had decades of sectarian murder and what was essentially a war happening because of 'inflammatory' comments.
*snip*

War doesn't happen because of "inflammatory comments". When someone starts a war over what someone else aid, the person overreacting to a comment is the one at fault, not the person who spoke. If I have it correct, the stuff that went on over there for so long was over some Catholics deciding Protestants shouldn't have rights. Now, you use that to defend taking the rights away from someone else? Wow.....

Hate preachers are targeted in the UK, Muslim and christian.
I live in a Muslim area in Manchester and we don't have any issues here, the school my kids go to is majority Muslim, and everybody is nice and normal, no dramas, no weirdness.
Religious weirdos who preach hate should be prosecuted.

We use to live by the freedom and right to say what you thought. If you take that away on any topic you weaken a society's values. No one is allowed to be anti-Semitic which was bought into law in order to protect a certain religious group, however its effectively gagging all criticism and if you look at how that has panned out for the freedom for all people living in Israel - I shall say no more.

We did religious hatred years and years ago and its utterly sick that we have to go back to those days because of importing yet another religion into the country that demands the attention of all through its 'laws'.

What makes it worse is that those people who don't want religion dominating everything they do and think, are having it slyly forced on them by people no one would listen to unless they claimed their religious identity and demanded attention.

It time we had a referendum about how much religion and what it teaches is acceptable to the majority because I suspect we would find its only a minority trying to expand their religious influence and get themselves into unelected positions of power over the rest of us.

The thing about what someone says is simply - you don't have to listen!

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: ngchunter

It's important to remember the context here though, in that Belfast has had decades of sectarian murder and what was essentially a war happening because of 'inflammatory' comments.
*snip*

War doesn't happen because of "inflammatory comments". When someone starts a war over what someone else aid, the person overreacting to a comment is the one at fault, not the person who spoke. If I have it correct, the stuff that went on over there for so long was over some Catholics deciding Protestants shouldn't have rights. Now, you use that to defend taking the rights away from someone else? Wow.....

War does happen because of inflammatory comments, of course it does. And because of religious intolerance. It doesn't matter who's at fault, don't you get that? People died because of inflammatory comments in Belfast.

You definitely don't have it correct, the 30 + yrs of violence and bloodshed were not about Catholics taking away Protestants 'rights'.
Look at who came to support this man in court - that doesn't seem political to you? Obviously he thinks muslims are satanists, he probably thinks the pope is satan, alcohol is the devil's milk, dancing is heathen and people who hang washing out on a Sunday will burn in Hell.

You also need to remember that without these laws Abu Hamza and his crew would be free to spout their relious bile without repercussion, so they work both ways.

a reply to: shooterbrody

whilst I think there is an agenda to Islamify the West, I wonder why those who attack Christianity aren't held to the same high standard.

Because you know those who shoot and bomb over there are never followers of Islam. People who follow Islam would never do those things

Thats like tarring all christians and comparing them to abortion clinic bombers or Westbro CHurch

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Yeah well I think evangelical preachers are evil.

Any of the 3 major religions fall into that umbrella

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Yahweh = Satan. They have you worshiping evil.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
Nah, they do it to make Masons believe something else is going on, something good that they can all agree upon....

Wow, so clever. Anymore gut busters like that one?