Russian crackdown on Muslims fuels exodus to Islamic State

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't know man, i don't think "but they suck too" is a good argument. I personally do not think the west "sucks" or is an evil empire hell bent on causing death and destruction. I think its more complicated than that, and that people are forced to make choices between whats right and good all the time and unfortunately whats good is not whats always right.

What, so it is ok for the U.S to do everything it has done and can be accounted for morally with this twisted logic of yours? Is it right to drop Napalm and use Agent Orange because it works? You are a patriot. Own up to the fact that your country has been the most war like nation ever to exist on this earth. Are the Russians bad and the U.S not? If you kill loads of an Arabic man's civilian family is he not justified in his military action against you?

How can what is good not always be right? Are you saying that evil acts are justified and should be used when necessary? That is not morality. Then again, I expect you condone the death penalty. Do you?

a reply to: sosobad

Funny considering some were refugees and not EU citizens.

All of a sudden Russia is fueling isis because it attacks fanatical muslims pushing a small % to escape and join isis?

thats the best you can come up with?



try harder OP

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
thats the best you can come up with?

How about participating instead of derailing?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: sosobad

Of course not. At the same time I dont want to dump my problem on someone else. If they can be stopped then stop them.

Syria is already a war zone so dumping them there and killing them there is lowering damage to the native Russians. It is quite logical to push the people who are close to radicalism all the way so you can deal with them once and for all. We have a million majority male refugees in Germany and Sweden that we can send to the US if you want to know a similar problem with Saudi manipulated Wahhabism in your country. Not all will be Wahhabi but enough will for American people to learn the lesson once and for all that allowing your politicians deal with the Saudis was the stupidest insanest thing you could have done. Wahhabism is the same insanity as Nazism and Zionism. Humanity never learns from history.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

So Russia is a part of the problem because its ok they ship their fundamentalists somewhere else.

I'm starting to sense desperation from the "Russia Sucks" brigade.

You know that secretly you want the West to clamp down on the Muslim population like the Russians are reportedly doing in Dagestan.

I have no horse in this race. The West's policies of helping to promote fundamental Islam from Saudi Arabia is the root cause of the problems in the Middle east. Russia can't do anything about that. All they care about is protecting their own interests in propping up Assad and helping Iran.

There are no good actors in this whole farce. Every country is promoting its own interest and the losers are the Syrian people at the moment and probably the whole world if things end badly.

Russia isn't going to let Assad fall. The West have committed to toppling him. This is a race to who gets to the Stone Age first where we are all the winners.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: LittleByLittle

So Russia is a part of the problem because its ok they ship their fundamentalists somewhere else.

US is helping Saudi Arabia all the time creating Wahhabi scum that support Sunni against all other minorities. Even now days they have to even reveal part of it since it is known by people all over the world.



About time he said one truthful thing in his life even if he did not mean to do it.


There is a reason people call Al Qaeda: Al-CIA-DA

a reply to: Xcathdra

Yeah that's just genius logic.

The Russians keep harassing me and are doing everything but shooting me what do I do? Oh I know, I can join IS so they CAN shoot me! Oh and I can leave my wife and children for the Russians to look after when they kill me!

That'll learn those Ruskies!

Here is what Russia should be worrying about...it's not them leaving it's them returning.

It's an older article, but the problem hasn't changed.

Insight: Russia fears return of fighters waging jihad in Syria

Moscow now fears that hundreds of Russian-born militants it says are fighting in Syria will return experienced in warfare to join an insurgency in Dagestan and its other North Caucasus provinces by militants fighting for an Islamic state.

Violence in the region claims lives almost daily. Fifteen men from Novosasitli alone have died in shootouts with Russian forces in the last four years, locals say.

Analysts say fighters could also try to strike during the 2014 Winter Olympics in February in nearby Sochi. President Vladimir Putin, who has staked his reputation on the Games, has said militants returning from Syria pose "a very real" threat and signed off on a law this month to jail any who come home.

www.reuters.com...

Although they let them go and call for their arrest when they come back are they able to keep track of all who go?

Letting them leave only allows them to get training and war experience they wouldn't really get in their villages or towns they come from.

Here is another good article discussing the jihadi threat in Russia getting worse.

What happens, though, when they come home? Tarkhan Batirashvili, the Islamic State leader known as Omar the Chechen, has already promised to return and take revenge on Russia. He grew up in Georgia, just across the border from Russia, and is part of a Chechen diaspora that vehemently opposes Russian rule in Chechnya.
The situation "is a time bomb for [President Vladimir] Putin," says Gordon Hahn, a California-based analyst at Geostrategic Forecasting who has written extensively about Islamic extremism in Russia. As the ranks of Russian jihadis grow, "a much larger number of fighters are receiving access to training and financing," he says.

www.bloomberg.com...

This may bite Putin in the rear by allowing those who want to fight in Syria do so as they still have a beef with his government, but now they are battle hardened, and have more financial backing from ISIS to perform whatever terror acts against the Russian government.

You can stop some, but you can never stop them all.

All I can say is good luck Mr. Putin, as it seems you may need it in the future.

a reply to: Xcathdra

What? When comes to the atrocities committed by the Chechyna (hater monger extremists) I'd support this program. Anyone ruthless enough to hold hostage little kids in a school building deserve this type of treatment. And no, not all muslims are radicalised but it sends a strong message. Sometimes it really pisses me off how "sugar coated" liberals get when a kick ass policy is sometimes needed. So let them go to Syria, at least they know Russia won't put up with their sh!t!

a reply to: Alien Abduct

The Russians keep harassing me and are doing everything but shooting me what do I do? Oh I know, I can join IS so they CAN shoot me! Oh and I can leave my wife and children for the Russians to look after when they kill me!

Fighting for Allah takes precedent over family in many fighter's eyes.

a reply to: itsallmaya

But its ok when the FSB blows up apartment complexes then blames Chechens to attack them?

a reply to: Xcathdra

So is Russia also to blame for supporting ISIS

No, the US government and Saudi Arabia and Israel plus 37 other countries retain that honour.

Are Russian actions ok

Yes, they have made the US government and Saudi Arabia and Israel plus 37 other countries out to be a bunch of global Nazi trolls.

Is Russia just as guilty

What, as the US government and Saudi Arabia and Israel plus 37 other countries? They wish.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Prove it

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Telos

And you would be wrong. If you dropped the sarcasm you might have noticed the bulk of those countries try to stop their population from joining ISIS. The question is why doesnt russia?

let us agree to disagree on this subject. I stick to what I said !!!

a reply to: itsallmaya

The murder of Alexander Litvinenko by russia.
The death threats against Yuri Georgievich Felshtinsky.

The promise of the FSB to destroy anyone associated with the book blowing up Russia.
The admissions made by former GRU officer Viktor Suvorov.

a reply to: Telos

As do I.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Off subject pal. Thats all subjective and totally not relevant to the OP.

Now, back to the discussed subject: Drastic times need drastic measures.