Strange Reaction of the West to ISIS

What is baffling me is that imagine if Saddam Hussein, Assad, or Khadafy had done one tenth of what ISIS has done and threatened, and the West who has attacked 3 Muslim countries in 20 years, all of a sudden gets squeamish?

Use your imagination for a second:

What if Assad had done one-tenth of what ISIS is doing?

Murder French and American citizens and gloat over it

How fast would the West attack him?

The Taliban hadn’t at all threatened the West all they did was ask for proof Bin Laden was guilty

The West wasted know time in attacking Afghanistan

Imagine if Khadafy had uttered one hundredth of the threats and calumny that ISIS is and has done

How fast would they have been in Tripoli?

Also we all know that if and when the US ( God forbid) is attacked like the French were how fast will Obama’s no boots on the ground go away?

I say that all the proof, intuitive, logical, and historical precedent, is pointing to the fact that the ISIS episode is a gigantic black operation

a reply to: Willtell

This is just sarin gas part II.
Keep slinging sh## against the wall to see what sticks/works.

Imagine if Iran yelled "Death to America!" over and over again...

Well maybe some learned a lesson from the mess doing that 13 years ago got us into.

And maybe some are realizing just how manipulated we are.

Plus, do you believe that repeating the insanity is going to improve things?

Not sure if this is a right answer but ..

I understand what you are getting at wth what you say, but Saddam Assad and Gadaffi were rulers/dictators of countries where as ISIS isn't technically bound to a country so therefore no western governments can attack a country. You want to attack ISIS ok but where do you start Syria? Iraq? We are up against an ideology not a country. Sorry I hope my reply makes sense

a reply to: Willtell

Putin said yesterday at the G20 summit that ISIS has financial backing from 40 countries, including members of the G20. So, coupled with ISIS's HD video editing skills, fancy new Toyota's and weaponry and oil production facilities, yes, it is indeed a strange reaction because quite frankly ISIS is treated more akin to a "tool" than an "enemy"

What is baffling me is that imagine if Saddam Hussein, Assad, or Khadafy had done one tenth of what ISIS has done

Each of the 3 , in their turn , did a lot more over a period of a longer time (Assad maybe not so much as the other 2). And yes, it is ISIS's turn now.

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
Imagine if Iran yelled "Death to America!" over and over again...

No need to imagine....

We know what the United States response would be..... give them everything they want while asking for just about zero concessions.

a reply to: Willtell

We can probably agree that war isn't the answer. I am opposed to wars except in true defense of my country. I don't believe in going to where others live and killing them indiscriminately.

Or maybe the ISIS game is too much like the al Qaeda game and a lot of people have just gotten immune.

I dunno.

I know the usual conspiracy ideas of: their doing this just to have an excuse to crack down on civil rights. That may be the case.

But I think this is a little deeper than the usual ideas purported by our usual conspiracy suspects: Alex Jones: Global Research: Veterans Today…etc.

Let’s look at Obama:

His arguments for NOT attacking ISIS in a traditional ground and air invasion, similar to the first 93 war in Iraq, are pretty flimsy...

True, on the surface when the West get’s into military quagmires in the ME they often don’t come out well.

But actually if we look at this closely that isn’t really true.

For when the US really wants to fight and win a war there they have been very successful

ITS ONLY WHEN THEY DO AN UNJUST WAR DOES IT TURN OUT BAD

An unjust war such as the one in 2003.

In 1993 when they rescued the nation of Kuwait that was a very successful military endeavor and had little backlash other than when Bin Laden started to complain about the troops staying too long in Saudi Arabia.

The first war in Afghanistan was a very successful war--as it goes--and the US won it easily and quickly

So it seems that if it is perceived that the US has some degree of right on its side, such as in the 93 Iraq war and the first Afghan endeavor, then the argument that they always get into an unsuccessful quagmire doesn’t hold water.

The fact that the West is stalling to attack ISIS is prima fascie evidence of a sinister plot here

Obama has been ordered to stall, imo.

The obvious reason many suspect, that is the idea of destabilizing Assad, all the evidence points to being the reason behind the strange behavior of the West.

originally posted by: Willtell
What is baffling me is that imagine if Saddam Hussein, Assad, or Khadafy had done one tenth of what ISIS has done and threatened, and the West who has attacked 3 Muslim countries in 20 years, all of a sudden gets squeamish?

Use your imagination for a second:

What if Assad had done one-tenth of what ISIS is doing?

Murder French and American citizens and gloat over it

How fast would the West attack him?

The Taliban hadn’t at all threatened the West all they did was ask for proof Bin Laden was guilty

The West wasted know time in attacking Afghanistan

Imagine if Khadafy had uttered one hundredth of the threats and calumny that ISIS is and has done

How fast would they have been in Tripoli?

Also we all know that if and when the US ( God forbid) is attacked like the French were how fast will Obama’s no boots on the ground go away?

I say that all the proof, intuitive, logical, and historical precedent, is pointing to the fact that the ISIS episode is a gigantic black operation

The simple fact is, is that there is no one place to attack. You can't stop an idea. That is what they are, a very bad idea. Who knows, if the US and others had not destabilized the area so much over the last couple decades, there might not have been this vacuum that was filled by these nuts....

a reply to: Willtell

ding ding ding we have a winner .......so what the heck can we do about what we really know is going down ? I am in the woods but if I thought it would or could make a difference I would come out ....maybe I am one of the few remaining on the guide stones ....I kind of hope so but

Remember this oldie but goodie? If you haven't seen it, check it out. I'm not saying that there isn't some danger and some threat...but consider that it is greatly exaggerated, and, again, people are getting wiser to the machinations.

a reply to: superman2012

Cant stop an idea

Of course not completely


But what happen to Nazism?

What happen to the Japanese empire and their emperor they worshiped?

They were militarily beaten

You see, you can beat an idea

Its happened numerous times

What you don't understand is that their using all these flimsy excuses just to allow Isis to remain for a while and cause all this mayhem

Everybody’s speculating on why Obama’s seems to be laying down for ISIS

The reason is that he is being ordered to allow ISIS to do what it wants to do basically without the US stopping them.

And he’s using the phony excuse that he is tired of war.

This is a neocon plot and Hillary Clinton btw is also in on it.

The neocons have a lust to attack Assad and Hillary is a neocon and likely is the one appointed to be at the helm when the real war is unleashed on ISIS and the ME, in her term as first woman president

Why won’t Obama even start a REAL coalition of Sunni countries to beat the crap out of ISIS? The most logical thing to do?

Because they don’t want ISIS to be defeated yet.

originally posted by: WilltellWhy won’t Obama even start a REAL coalition of Sunni countries to beat the crap out of ISIS? The most logical thing to do?

Because he lacks the experience and the wisdom to make the difficult choices.

Because he is a sort of "wacked out" liberal that STILL thinks that no matter WHO your enemy is, no matter WHAT they do or say they will do.... If we just "play nice" it will all work out. Very naïve.

That being said, The Powers That Be also are done with him since he is on his way out... so they aren't going to give him any answers..... which brings us back to my first point.

a reply to: superman2012

An idea is worthless, if it doesn't have the necessary financial backing.

And this very folks behind ISIS are the culprits Putin is on about.

The truly baffling part of "the west's reaction" is the number of people screaming about how we should give up our rights to the government so IS can't come and take our rights.

Equally baffling is the reaction of taking away SOME people's rights based on what some OTHER people did several thousand miles away in a different part of the world.

a reply to: Willtell

I apologize in advance if this is straying slightly off topic.... but I find that France's reaction to their current ISIS crisis is symptomatic of the "strange reactions" that the West has these days. For France....

1) Not take an active role in attacking/decimating ISIS as they grew and grew (and quite frankly, advertised their intentions).

2) Let in people in, virtually unchecked, from that "problem" part of the world, despite the will of the majority of the citizenry.

3) Suffer a horrible attack in their capital.

4) As a response to #3, launch the attack that should have taken place as step #1 which may have (possibly) avoided #3

The whole thing is strange.