Transgender woman Tara Hudson loses all-male prison appeal

a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe you should just read my post that I have made.

I have been very clear.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
I wonder if all of you claiming his junk does not work would like to stand by that decision and go spend a nite alone with this guy?

That was such a lame lie that was spread to downplay the fact that there is now a functional penis locked up with the women.

And you know this how? Is the "functional penis" going to detach itself and fly around assaulting the other inmates?

Follow-up: I ask this delicately, but are fantasies about being with a trans* person really the point?

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe you should just read my post that I have made.

I have been very clear.

Great non-answer!

You have been very clear, and that is my point.

You believe that your own beliefs about sex and gender should rule everyone else.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
What will you say if this person hurts a tenth victim in prison?

Oh behave, she's probably really quite scared right now, going to a prison as a short term sentence while there is an established hierarchy waiting for her.
Your argument is lame while she is outnumbered 300 and something to 1 at Eastwood Park.

It is a moot point anyway, a UK judge decided it so all the details would have been taken into account.
'The law' in the UK quite clearly deems a female prison to be the most gender appropriate, do you have any more detailed information than the judge perhaps?

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: grainofsand

You don't have to be a "homophobic trans-hating bigot" to not be attracted to a transgender woman.

As Ben Carson said, "I believe marriage is between one man and one woman. That does not mean I am a homophobe." The gist of that statement can apply across the board.

People need to grasp the fact that a person can have viewpoints opposite from theirs, but that does not mean some extreme label has to be applied to them. This over sensitivity to other views is unhealthy for a society.

I didn't say that you have to be a homophobic trans-hating bigot to not be attracted to this young woman:



...I said that I am not a homophobic trans-hating bigot and I find her attractive as a rough straight CIS male.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Again you presume my intent of posting and you are wrong.

It really seems like you just want to feud.

It is not rocket science for a judge to send a person that has a very proven track record of violence to a prison with people that match his gender. Let us see a dna test would show male and I.D. says male and he has a penis and violent behavior .

Now you want to come along and spout some nonsense that is beside the point to try to label people thatare using sound logic to form an opinion.

Get a grip on the facts

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

Agreed. She will be MUCH more likely to be abused repeatedly in a men's prison.

So will any white guy under 6 ft. tall and 200 lbs. Should we have a special prison for them as well?

No.

All that's needed is what is already supposed to be in place.

The State has a duty of care for prisoners...all prisoners.

If they cannot take reasonable steps to ensure weaker prisoners are sufficiently protected inside, the state and prison authorities aren't fulfilling their legal and moral obligations, and open themselves up for litigation and sanction, and rightly so.

In all seriousness, I just hope they have thought about what could happen to Tara's penis in a prison of angry frustrated women. If this were in the states, I can see a big lawsuit coming down the pike if his last vestige of manhood is sloppily surgically removed by a group of "nurses".

This might be one instance where the taxpayers might consider paying for his surgery.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: deadeyedick
What will you say if this person hurts a tenth victim in prison?

Oh behave, she's probably really quite scared right now, going to a prison as a short term sentence while there is an established hierarchy waiting for her.
Your argument is lame while she is outnumbered 300 and something to 1 at Eastwood Park.

It is a moot point anyway, a UK judge decided it so all the details would have been taken into account.
'The law' in the UK quite clearly deems a female prison to be the most gender appropriate, do you have any more detailed information than the judge perhaps?

My argument is not lame if this case is used to allow others in the future with violent behavior past and a penis to be locked up in a female prison.

It is if you and others just want people to ignore the fact that we have separate prisons for innies and outies.

You ask if I have more info than a judge but we do not need more info we just need to remember that the only reason the judge could move her was by having a large number of the public go against the original decision. That took some of the weight off the shoulders of the judge.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
Get a grip on the facts

Yep, the facts are that a UK judge has decided that a female prison is the most gender appropriate for the prisoner, and you don't like it lol, unlucky.

a reply to: deadeyedick

The female only prison does match her gender.

You're arguing to send her to the prison that matches what you conceive of as her sex.

Is DNA to be the standard of sex now? A moment ago you were claiming that a penis was all that mattered.

Speaking of the facts, of course.

Pleased to report that the BBC is now saying she's been moved to a female prison

www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: deadeyedick

Again, unlucky fella, the UK judge made a decision based on all the facts which you and I are unaware of.
You don't like it but tough luck, the Judiciary has made it's decision and neither the Crown or Parliament have challenged it so she's doing her time in a female prison as she wanted.

I take some pleasure that the judges decision troubles you so much. I've read many of your posts over the years so don't give me the 'protection of female prisoners' BS, I know full well your viewpoint regarding trans folk.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

It is if you and others just want people to ignore the fact that we have separate prisons for innies and outies.

Thanks for making such a clear statement of the core ignorance at the center of the debate.

The point is that the simplistic idea of "innies and outies" as the sole determinants of identity is wrong.

Perfectly, though unintentionally, succinct on your part.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: deadeyedick
Get a grip on the facts

Yep, the facts are that a UK judge has decided that a female prison is the most gender appropriate for the prisoner, and you don't like it lol, unlucky.

It is not that I do not like it but it goes against the principles that have always decided such things.

My only concern is actually that no body else gets hurt and if yalll feel that it will be the best route then we just have to see and if in the future we see problems arise from the decision then i hope at that point you may rethink the pc bull.

originally posted by: queenofswords
In all seriousness, I just hope they have thought about what could happen to Tara's penis in a prison of angry frustrated women. If this were in the states, I can see a big lawsuit coming down the pike if his last vestige of manhood is sloppily surgically removed by a group of "nurses".

This might be one instance where the taxpayers might consider paying for his surgery.

The taxpayer has already paid for the gender reassignment treatment of the prisoner, and will continue to provide hormone therapy while she serves her sentence.

This is the UK remember, we have universal healthcare funded by taxation and prisoners get the same access to the NHS as non-prisoners. Gender dysphoria and reassignment is an accepted funded treatment on the NHS.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: deadeyedick

It is if you and others just want people to ignore the fact that we have separate prisons for innies and outies.

Thanks for making such a clear statement of the core ignorance at the center of the debate.

The point is that the simplistic idea of "innies and outies" as the sole determinants of identity is wrong.

Perfectly, though unintentionally, succinct on your part.

You may not like it but that has always been the determining factor so do not pretend as if I am here just typing nonsense.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: deadeyedick
Get a grip on the facts

Yep, the facts are that a UK judge has decided that a female prison is the most gender appropriate for the prisoner, and you don't like it lol, unlucky.

It is not that I do not like it but it goes against the principles that have always decided such things.

My only concern is actually that no body else gets hurt and if yalll feel that it will be the best route then we just have to see and if in the future we see problems arise from the decision then i hope at that point you may rethink the pc bull.

You don't know the details the judge did, the decision was made taking everything into account.
And your so called 'principles' are irrelevant to this decision by a judge, a precedent has been set, and based on reading your posts over the years I firmly believe that precedent really really pisses you of haha, unlucky.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: deadeyedick

It is if you and others just want people to ignore the fact that we have separate prisons for innies and outies.

Thanks for making such a clear statement of the core ignorance at the center of the debate.

The point is that the simplistic idea of "innies and outies" as the sole determinants of identity is wrong.

Perfectly, though unintentionally, succinct on your part.

You may not like it but that has always been the determining factor so do not pretend as if I am here just typing nonsense.

On the contrary, many cultures have noted more than simple binary genders.

You're the one bandying about the word nonsense; the closest I come is citing you with ignorance.

And really, I'm not citing you personally with it, that's just the basis of the errant beliefs you hold.

a reply to: grainofsand

I know they were taking things into account and the original judge made the right decision by putting him in a male prison then the only factor that reversed it was public outcry.

My point is that you do not want to acknowledge that this person is still a male with male tendencies/ You want this person to represent a female that used to be male but this is not the case but if it were then your arguments would hold water.