Canada jumping off F35,s?

This is a strange one.With its change of government it looks like Canada will be dumping its proposed purchase of F35,s due to its yadda yadda yadda plagued development.

Canada's new government will dump the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the troubled and expensive stealth jets Australia has committed $24 billion to buy. The victorious Liberals leader Justin Trudeau has also pledged to put a stop to his country's role in bombing Islamic State targets in strife-torn Syria, where the Australian air force recently commenced operations, as well as Iraq.

Wonder what this means for Australia as well as we have had a recent change of leadership as well.
Canada F35 purchase

a reply to: Blackfinger

As far as I know, us Aussies are committed.
I read of a couple of our top guns sent to the states for a test drive who came back home with glowing reviews.

There has been lots of talk of their vulnerability in a dogfight situation, however that was not their intended service role.
As Australia is huge and isolated, the long distance strike ability seems to be a good fit for us.

I live near Williamtown RAAF base and see the Super Hornets nearly daily.
Looking forward to seeing the JSF in action.

a reply to: Blackfinger

This very topic is one reason I voted for Justin Trudeau. He had stated that he wanted to remove the F-35 project and instead set up a new contest for another concept.

a reply to: Blackfinger

With the leftists in power rather than merely bitching about the F-35, I'd bet it's toast.

The left in Canada has pretty well killed any military capability that Canada had. The subs from the U.K. comes to mind as does the PPCLI unit disbanded....

That'll keep Putin happy in the north and the U.S. happy in the south.

OOH CANADA, we stand NOT on guard for thee.....

a reply to: Blackfinger

It won't shock me if they decide to pull the plug on it. Why spend their own money when the US would need to defend them anyway, if only from a strategic stand point. However, I don't see too many Canadians liking the idea of relying on the US in a pinch either.

a reply to: Timely

originally posted by: Timely
a reply to: Blackfinger
As Australia is huge and isolated, the long distance strike ability seems to be a good fit for us.

As China expands its operations deeper and deeper into the South China Sea, Australia is going to become less and less isolated. So yeah, the long distance strike capability could definitely be a good card to have in the deck.

Yeah, out with the old...in with the way of doing things the way that benefits Canada. Let's begin again. Aren't those fighter jets passe?

a reply to: nwtrucker

Say What?

The Pats disbanded! I don't think so.
ppcli.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

And the JSF is a waste of money for us as we don't need a first strike ground attack aircraft with LO we need a long range twin engine interceptor if you're worried about those pesky bears from the north. The Super Hornet would be a much more logical purchase. Effective dual role capability with a proven track record and a simplified logistics train and flight/maintenance training period.

a reply to: nwtrucker

We should spend our money to purchase jets and help fight your "war"? No Thanks!

When we need Military progress we will do it, we are not aggressors.

a reply to: luciddream

Right on. We should be re-instating the money Harper so rudely stole from our vets before looking at feel good ooh ahhh trinkets.

www.cbc.ca...

Yep the Harper Government sure does believe in our military. Harpocrites!

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

a reply to: Kukri

In was referring to the 'unit' Angola...Sorry, Somalia...

The F-35 will and would eat any Version of F-18. Super or otherwise. (BVR)

Check out the Aussies who've flown both...

a reply to: luciddream

The U.S. doesn't need any 'help'.

The question is can you help yourselves????

P.S. I did my basic at Cornwallis in 1970.....

The F-35 program is dependent on economies of scale. If Canada does indeed ditch the F-35 then they have literally made all partner nations that intend to buy the F-35 weaker.

And what are they going to buy instead? The only aircraft cheaper than the F-35 are Gripen NG and F/A-18 Super Hornet. Broadly speaking, far less capable.

From what I've been reading our fearless new government would like to cancel the F-35 and build few new ships under the premise that it provides jobs on the East Coast (which they need as well). Not to bring politics into this, but I think the Liberals plan to cancel it just to be contrary.

I sincerely hope Trudeau has a good set of advisers behind him, or you neighbour to the North will be in trouble.

To th e person who said we would have to defend canada.. no we woudnt have to. we would defend alaska and th e US but since yalls government wants to be th e big dog. please show th e rest of th e world how its done. id worry bout th e frenchmen in canada. they will surrender i hear. (joke)

More interesting would be the fallout if the US decide this effects Canada's status as a Level III partner on the program. $750 million a year is routed through the F-35 program into the coffers of Canadian subcontractors. Maybe those contracts go to countries who are still committed to the program.

a reply to: RadioRobert

That'll be hard to do without a major impact on the program. I thought the same thing, but when I started looking at what comes out of Canada, there's way too much, and what they do produce is major equipment for a lot of it.

originally posted by: Timely

There has been lots of talk of their vulnerability in a dogfight situation, however that was not their intended service role.
As Australia is huge and isolated, the long distance strike ability seems to be a good fit for us.

Which is better in hand to hand combat ... knife or gun with no bullets?

Which would you rather have, a knife or a fully functioning gun?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: RadioRobert

That'll be hard to do without a major impact on the program. I thought the same thing, but when I started looking at what comes out of Canada, there's way too much, and what they do produce is major equipment for a lot of it.

I would imagine there must be some penalty though.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The idea is to eliminate the knife wielding foe before they even see you ...

a reply to: Timely

Exactly. Imagine a gun critic saying a knife is better, because if you have no bullets, and you let them get in really close, the knife is better. Therefore all guns suck and should not be produced anymore, terrible idea.