Proxy War Between Russia, USA, Iran And Various Countries IN Syria

So it looks like there is a proxy war happening between various countries in Syria. This thread is to help us keep track of the developments and sides that form. Looking more like WW3 every day. . . . .

www.nytimes.com...
U.S. Weaponry Is Turning Syria Into Proxy War With Russia
BEIRUT, Lebanon — Insurgent commanders say that since Russia began air attacks in support of the Syrian government, they are receiving for the first time bountiful supplies of powerful American-made antitank missiles.

With the enhanced insurgent firepower and with Russia steadily raising the number of airstrikes against the government’s opponents, the Syrian conflict is edging closer to an all-out proxy war between the United States and Russia.

The increased levels of support have raised morale on both sides of the conflict, broadening war aims and hardening political positions, making a diplomatic settlement all the more unlikely.
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Yeah I was about to post a thread on this.

We can say it's unofficial, we are seeing the development of WW3. It's only a matter of time before we have a US plane on route to delivering ammunition to rebels shot down to get it to spark it all.

The escalations haven't slowed one bit since Russia moved into Syria. God so help this situation from getting out of hand as it already is right before us.

RT and FOX? lol. Who are these insurgents? Well, could be ISIS they mean...but really, Assad and now Putin are attacking the Syrian people- the majority that have been trying to get Assad out. Very simple, no reason to try to make it sound complaicated.

Also, I think FOX news started this 'proxy war' idea. It has been stated as Israel V. Iran with the US and Russia as the real countries at war. It is not happening. The Zombie Apocalypse will happen before that ever does.

originally posted by: reldra
Syrian people- the majority that have been trying to get Assad out.

You got any stats to back that claim, because the last we know, Assad was voted in by a majority in a legitimate election.

here

A total of 10.2 million people voted for Assad. The voter turnout stood at 73.42 percent. No violations have been reported, Syria’s Higher Judicial Committee for Elections said as quoted by SANA news agency.

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originally posted by: InnerPeace2012

originally posted by: reldra
Syrian people- the majority that have been trying to get Assad out.

You got any stats to back that claim, because the last we know, Assad was voted in by a majority in a legitimate election.

here

A total of 10.2 million people voted for Assad. The voter turnout stood at 73.42 percent. No violations have been reported, Syria’s Higher Judicial Committee for Elections said as quoted by SANA news agency.

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Yes the election of 2014 The only election to happen since Assads family came to power by coup. An election In the middle of a civil war. Which the opposition boycotted as illegitimate. Where no voting was held in rebel or Kurdish areas, in other words over half the country. An election that was called illegitimate by the US, EU and GCC and criticized by the UN. An election that had no independent monitors. An election where Assad hand picked a group of countries to certify as legit. An election where 30 people signed up to against Assad and only two were found eligible run. Both not surprisingly pro Assad. Considering well over half the country was not a part of the election a 73% turn out is pretty amazing. How does that happen when over half the population was not even living in area that was a part of it. At best you could hope for 40% turn out if everybody in Assad controlled areas voted. Yeah, that sure was North Korea level of legitimate election.

You do not need stats anyway, all you have to do is look at Syria where the population was virtually unarmed and Assad had a 350,000 man army with tanks, artillery, gun ships and an air force. In 2011 Assad ordered the attacks on the unarmed protesters. A year later the rebels were in a full scale advance and Assads forces defecting. Assads forces today are 125,000 after non stop conscription of which men keep refusing to go even in areas loyal to Assad despite mass arrests for doing so. Despite help from Iran and Hezbollah Assad has was near collapse and only the Russians are buying him some time. When you have a huge army and popular support any rebellion would be crushed over night. If you have a huge army and the population is against you, then you are doomed. Just like Assad.

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

Honestly, I feel the doomsday clock has started ticking again, sadly.

a reply to: MrSpad

Again, where are your proof/facts/stats/sources to support any of your opinions...

Deny Ignorance friends, opinions are not facts.

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

Pro American bots don't need sources. Propaganda, Rhetoric and Nationalism will do. End Sarcasm

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

This exactly what am concerned about, only a matter of time.

BBC News -
Syria conflict: US-Russia air safety talks after 'near miss'

The US and Russia are to hold new talks on air safety in Syria after it emerged combat aircraft from both nations came within miles of each other on Saturday.

It will be the third round of talks as the two countries seek to find ways of avoiding an accidental conflict.

US Secretary of Defence Ash Carter said he expected a deal soon. Russia said it had "updated proposals" to be discussed during a video conference.

Despite the talks, the US said Russia's actions in Syria were "wrongheaded".

Russia began its campaign of air strikes in Syria on 30 September, saying it was targeting Islamic State (IS) militants and other jihadist groups after a request to help militarily from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Western countries and Syrian activists say Russian planes have been hitting non-militant targets - a claim Moscow denies.

This is serious if true.

Once any MANPADs show up in the hands of the rebels, all out war (indirectly) between US and Russia is on the table.

However, ISIS does not have an air force so anti aircraft weapons need not be given...........atleast on paper.

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

Who the F$%# cares what the American governments opinion is? Syria is a sovereign nation. The US is unwanted and uninvited by the legitimate Syrian government. Russia was invited. Putin can blow up the whole damm country if Assad gives him the ok.

Why aren't 350 million Americans and another 6 billion world citizens demanding Obama and the rest of the bunch be impeached and tried in international courts for war crimes and crimes against humanity?

I'm living in a lost episode of the twilight zone. Our leaders are responsible for as much genocide as Hitler. These are not good people. Our leaders have gone rogue with a God complex that makes Charlie Manson look like a damn saint.

Rant over

What is the US going to say when the weapons that they supply to a group gets used against our own troops?
Sooner or later it WILL happen again.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Why aren't 350 million Americans and another 6 billion world citizens demanding Obama and the rest of the bunch be impeached and tried in international courts for war crimes and crimes against humanity?

Power is might so who will impeach Obama and his gang in the WH.

With the same logic of power, this Gen. Keane is suggesting that US bomb and crater the Russian air base in Syria from which its planes are flying from.

Does he know what would that mean?

F*%*% stupid fatsome!!

a reply to: victor7

You know I don't think I give a $hit anymore. If the elitists want to start a war and hide in their bunkers just do it already. They can have the f-ing planet. I know where I'm headed when I die, so world peace or world deviation means very little to me.

If I ever get my 15 minutes of fame the world will remember me for a long time. It's not hard to make complete idiots look bad.

originally posted by: reldra
RT and FOX? lol. Who are these insurgents? Well, could be ISIS they mean...but really, Assad and now Putin are attacking the Syrian people- the majority that have been trying to get Assad out. Very simple, no reason to try to make it sound complaicated.

Really?

The rebels move against government positions, make headway ... and following them is ISIS. And what does ISIS do? They murder anyone who opposes them ... all who happen to be Assad people.

Of course this ISIS make an occasional appearance on youtube, beheading an american or journalist ... saying they oppose America, while they are getting financial support through Rhyad ... the US/UK major ally in the region.

People like Assad, can always be taken care off ... voted out, or ousted out ... it's the US Al Qaida, or ISIS or ISIL, that can't. They are a military tactic, a black op operation. Obama bin Ladin, wasn't elected president by the United states ... nor was GW Bush before him. Both, got into office by manipulating the votes.

so ... go Putin! for now.

If we're looking for parallels in history, the obvious one is the Spanish Civil War of the 1930's
So it's worth remembering that this war did NOT lead directly into World War 2, and Spain did not enter into the larger war.
But it was recognised afterwards that the countries that intervened, especially the fascists, used the war as a way to test and practice their tactics. E.g. look up Guernica, the notorious victim of the first major air-raid.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012

originally posted by: reldra
Syrian people- the majority that have been trying to get Assad out.

You got any stats to back that claim, because the last we know, Assad was voted in by a majority in a legitimate election.

here

A total of 10.2 million people voted for Assad. The voter turnout stood at 73.42 percent. No violations have been reported, Syria’s Higher Judicial Committee for Elections said as quoted by SANA news agency.

Source 2
Source 3

Yes the election of 2014 The only election to happen since Assads family came to power by coup. An election In the middle of a civil war. Which the opposition boycotted as illegitimate. Where no voting was held in rebel or Kurdish areas, in other words over half the country. An election that was called illegitimate by the US, EU and GCC and criticized by the UN. An election that had no independent monitors. An election where Assad hand picked a group of countries to certify as legit. An election where 30 people signed up to against Assad and only two were found eligible run. Both not surprisingly pro Assad. Considering well over half the country was not a part of the election a 73% turn out is pretty amazing. How does that happen when over half the population was not even living in area that was a part of it. At best you could hope for 40% turn out if everybody in Assad controlled areas voted. Yeah, that sure was North Korea level of legitimate election.

You do not need stats anyway, all you have to do is look at Syria where the population was virtually unarmed and Assad had a 350,000 man army with tanks, artillery, gun ships and an air force. In 2011 Assad ordered the attacks on the unarmed protesters. A year later the rebels were in a full scale advance and Assads forces defecting. Assads forces today are 125,000 after non stop conscription of which men keep refusing to go even in areas loyal to Assad despite mass arrests for doing so. Despite help from Iran and Hezbollah Assad has was near collapse and only the Russians are buying him some time. When you have a huge army and popular support any rebellion would be crushed over night. If you have a huge army and the population is against you, then you are doomed. Just like Assad.

I usually agree with you, but this is the exact storyline western media runs with. It's BS, topped with whip-cream, and pile of turd, and some more whip-cream and called a cake.

Need some sources with this bold statement of yours.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I have pondered about whether the war in syria might be just a playground for the big boys to try their toys without bringing to much harm home . Also a very good way to get all the terrorists in one spot . No need to eradicate them , let your home grown terrorists get over there and pick them off slowly . Let Isis seem attractive , keep them in check but let the radicals migrate there . Just like a good old fashioned leaching really .