8-year-old girl fatally shot by 11-year-old boy for not letting him see her puppy

a reply to: neformore

Actually, I don't blame all gun owners - I'm using your argument against you.

Nope. It's been an epic failure. Only one of us KNOWS THE LAW.

Having said that, I think there should be stricter gun laws over there.

Case in point.

. It doesn't necessarily mean taking guns off people. Better regulation, better systems and checks and balances could, I'm sure be introduced, tied in with better mental health care and better education as to the dangers of firearms (but hey, you guys detest "Obamacare" and "socialised health medicine", so good luck with that)

Basically you support the willful violation of the bill of rights. Denying me DUE PROCESS, and want to regulate every little detail of my life.

That Nef is as fascist as it gets.

My civil liberties are of no consequence to you.

In this case, the parents of the kid who got hold of the the gun should be charged with manslaughter, and BOTH do time for it. Th

I have no problem with that. The committed a crime, and get DUE PROCESS.

Now wheres my due process?

originally posted by: neo96
That Nef is as fascist as it gets.

My civil liberties are of no consequence to you.

Your civil liberties as a responsible gun owner do not have to be infringed in order for their to be tighter restrictions on who can own a gun.

Can you not understand that?

originally posted by: DexterRiley
a reply to: Squirlli

I was just thinking a while ago about my childhood and the availability of firearms to me.

I remember one time when I was quite young, my father showed me one of his pistols. He let me hold it, told me a few things about it. Showed me where he kept it. Then in no uncertain terms told me point-blank that if I ever touched it, he would beat the living tar out of me. And I had absolutely no reason to believe otherwise.

Several years later I had to go into that drawer to get something. His words held such meaning, even several years later, that I used a stick to move the gun out of the way to get the item I was searching for.

Modern day parenting techniques that use time out, losing their XBox, no allowance, etc. does not carry the same weight. My parents were old school. Mom was first, then Dad, then Granddad, and maybe even the next door neighbor! And, as if the pain wasn't enough, when the other kids in the neighborhood found out you got a whipping, you had to deal with that embarrassment too.

American society has changed a lot since I was a kid. There are a lot more distractions. Kids are getting all kinds of mixed messages. But I believe the promise of a good class A ass whooping still has some impact.

-dex

Takes about 3 spankings and after that the threat tends to hold water. Not abuse, you don't beat your kid. Things are different. I remember the big board with holes drilled in it in the principles office in grade school. You didn't want to go that route and paid attention.

I even think everyone needs to get knocked on their butt at least once in a fist fight so they can learn to pick themselves up. It is much different now, a lot worse in some cases, a lot better in some cases. We have got to have better parents or a better parent though at the root of it all. The other things are really secondary but should happen. Education, responsibility, less prescription medication, teaching kids to deal with failure, etc. It does suck to see these things happen. Banning won't happen more laws won't help. Better parenting would work wonders though.

a reply to: neformore

Read the Bill of Rights there, and then the 14th amendment.

The 5th amendment should be particularly enlightening seeing how it goes like this:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

www.legendsofamerica.com...

The Bill of Rights is clear as a bell.

Besides the LAW already addresses people going around killing other people. It's ILLEGAL.

Too bad the little girl didn't have a weapon of her own, to defend herself. The only way to stop a bad child with a gun is a good child with a gun, right? That's what my friendly neighborhood gun dealer and the NRA tell me. They wouldn't lie to me.





a reply to: Cabin

originally posted by: TownCryer
Too bad the little girl didn't have a weapon of her own, to defend herself. The only way to stop a bad child with a gun is a good child with a gun, right? That's what my friendly neighborhood gun dealer and the NRA tell me. They wouldn't lie to me.





a reply to: Cabin

I would love to see that quote linked from either. Not fond of the nra myself but lying about them makes you worse than either.

I think most people are pretty standard about crappy parents here. I would love to know if the 11 year old was on ssri drugs. I'm leaning yes but could be wrong.

Please point out the NRA lie to me. One of their standard lines is the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Have you not heard that from them before? Enlighten me.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Here you go:

washington.cbslocal.com...

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Where's the mention of children?

originally posted by: WP4YT
a reply to: WP4YT

Kids do as they please without fear of discipline.

It's because we had a generation afraid to discipline their children our of fear that government kIdnappers (CPS) would come and take their children away.

And now here we are, at the next generation of parents, who don't discipline their children not out of fear, but because their partners didn't discipline them.

And now we have a whole generation of criminals that do as they please.

Guns aren't the problem. They are just a tool for the sad individual that uses it.

Exactly right...when I have was growing up,spanking and correcting kids wasn't frowned upon.I'm not talking abuse,I'm talking discipline.

There is too many kids now days who think cell phones and Facebook are rights and not privileges.They think that they run the household.

Sparring the rod and spoiling the child is not working.

a reply to: TownCryer

They say nothing of the sort. ...and you know it.

a reply to: Okeyd57

Read the link to the article, that can most lightly answer your questions as to where his parents were or how he got access to the weapon a whole lot better than I could. There still seems to be rather a few unanswered questions, granted.

As to whether it's a gun problem or a people problem, that seems to be a matter of opinion. Fact is its certainly a problem when a child dies by way of shotgun blast at the hands of another.

a reply to: crazyeddie68

Where I hail from spanking or hitting your child could quite possibly result in social services paying you a visit. Don't agree with child abuse but when the state says you cannot spank or chastise you child in what most people would consider an appropriate manner there has to be something wrong.

Sometimes the simple truth is that children require disciple. Another reason I'm also happy as to the gun laws in the UK, because without them I imagine incidents such as this one in the US would also occur. Not that they don't with other weapons or means. Considering the things that children find it appropriate to do to one another these days.

Fact is they simply have no fear because of a lack of parental disciple.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Interesting article on people who ask parents on whether they have a loaded gun locked away or not when play dates are arranged.
I would ask also I wouldn't want my kids going to a home with unsecured guns about.

There are effective ways of employing discipline without resorting to violence.
Spanking is a gateway to normalising violence.

a reply to: boymonkey74

To be honest, kids being kids and the fact that Murphy's law happens more often than not I probably would not allow my children to go unaccompanied unless either myself or my Mrs were present to any play dates where firearms were located, secure or otherwise. Nothing against the people personally just the world in which we live.

a reply to: aorAki

My parents hit me when I deserved it, and trust me I did indeed deserve and require said spankings.

Even a good old skelp to the coupin from my father in my late teens.

Truth be told without there intervention I would probably have ended up in Gaol or a junkie just like rather a significant percentage of the people I went to school with or hung around with did indeed do.

The old saying applies, spare the rod, spoil the child. But there has to be love and affection there also.

a reply to: Cabin


This is a direct result of bad parenting and the fragmented family unit we have in the USA.

Absentee parents are a staple here in the USA.

a reply to: Realtruth

Well both our respective governments seem hell bent on the destruction of said family unit. Is it any wonder our nations family's are experiencing the problems they do?

I was thinking the same thing as you, TownCryer. The first thing I thought when I read the title to this thread was

"The only thing to stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun"

I won’t debate gun control with the gun advocates here. No point in it.

One thing a lot of folks aren’t aware of, though, is that towns like Dodge City and Tombstone in the Wild Wild West at least had the sense to excercise much tighter gun control than we do here in the U.S. today. HERE’s an article about that. You can find a lot of other stuff about it if you just google it.

Another thing a lot of us aren’t aware of is the difference between a mass shooting and mass murder. You’d be surprised to know the true extent of mass shootings in the U.S. every year. Checkout the Mass Shooting Tracker to get detailed and up-to-date information on this problem. It’s really an eye-opener.

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