Number of Homeless Students Reaches All-Time High

No surprise here. Old article (2014), I know but I'm 100% sure it's gotten worse not better. Not often discussed but the real cost of college isn't just tuition it's also cost of living which is rarely factored into many equations.

More than 1.2 million students are homeless, and nearly 76,000 are living on their own without parents.

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Laziest most entitled bunch of kids I've ever met. No wonder they want to vote for a socialist! It's because they expect handouts and want to love better than homelessness!

Be homeless and go to college loser you made bad choices!

/ end sarcasm

What a joke. They pay on average at least 30k and many many cases much much more to get out into a completely crap economy to continue to not be able to afford to live and all wveryone talks about is how entitled they are.

Unrest is on its way. It's right around the corner.

Unless you are going to teach or enter some sort of scientific field, I don't see the value in a college education. We'd be better off to put our money in trade schools that teach, with a hands-on approach, certain necessary trades.

Even with a college degree, you often have to start at the bottom and work your way up. Why burden yourself with a huge amount of debt in the process and go hungry as well?

a reply to: introvert


There's no trade jobs man everyone keeps saying that but look at reality.

Caterpillar is laying off 10,000 people because we're not building anything anymore.

a reply to: onequestion

There's only 5k active master plumbers in the state of Texas right now. If you do your time in that trade you can bank. Plenty of trade jobs that aren't going anywhere but few are willing to do the work. Not gonna say lazy, but you tell me what else fits.

a reply to: pl3bscheese
Can you make that statistic relevant by providing an example of master plumber demand in Texas?

Thanks

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: introvert


There's no trade jobs man everyone keeps saying that but look at reality.

Caterpillar is laying off 10,000 people because we're not building anything anymore.

That is what happens when you have a civilization based on greed and constant work. I'd hire those 10k to start building a giant space station. I just wish NASA does something like that. Too bad the Gov either forbids or everyone needs a lot of money in order to live. The rich will be the one stealing everyone's money and buying their way out either through threats or bribery.

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I can do better. There's over 27 million in the state, over 50k licenses issued, and the majority of remaining masters are over 50 years of age.

My father runs a plumbing business and is looking for good journeymen with a year or two of experience, but they're being gobbled up as soon as they enter the market.

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The entire thing isn't sustainable. It won't continue for much longer without some massive changes.

A north american Union and 2,000 a month for bills is coming.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Who's hiring apprentices?

Ok how about this. Since I have no idea about plumbers and their market im going to start calling around and see how hard it is to get an apprenticeship for a plumbing company.

a reply to: onequestion

Those willing to take the risk. Smaller and newer companies from what I can tell. You lose benefits and get lower pay for those first 8k hours, but afterwards have opportunity. Beats college.

Our company took on apprentices before we went into commercial work.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: pl3bscheese

Who's hiring apprentices?

Some unions are. Mine is looking for both Apprentices and interns of all types.

IATSE

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Here is some more current information about the "cost" of finding housing.

Jeff Kositsky, executive director of Hamilton Family Center, a nonprofit working to end family homelessness by 2019 in San Francisco, said that when families are relocated outside of The City through its rapid rehousing program, such as using rental subsidies, the students must leave the public school district by the end of the school year or apply for an “interdistrict transfer.”

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I commend their efforts, but it's got to be rough. Getting accepted voids your right to choose where you attend school. In this example, to attend the city's public schools, you have to be a local resident.

Homeless students became a larger focus last year, as nationwide there was a notable increase. Locally, the homeless student population nearly tripled during the past 10 years: 844 in the 2004-05 school year compared to last school year’s 2,352, according to data from the San Francisco Unified School District.

Imagine getting a "letter of transparency" from the government telling you that your tax dollars helped put a roof over some kids head who has been desperately trying to get an education. I know, too good to be true.

You can't win. I can't win. We're stuck here together.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: onequestion

I can do better. There's over 27 million in the state, over 50k licenses issued, and the majority of remaining masters are over 50 years of age.

My father runs a plumbing business and is looking for good journeymen with a year or two of experience, but they're being gobbled up as soon as they enter the market.

This just only proves that society is falling slowly. You wouldn't see this problem before manufacturing companies started taking over and blaming untrained people. Lots of people would have been hired for work in the old days. There use to be a time that "Part time job" was a thing. Now it isn't. The old aren't being replaced fast enough by the young.

Everyone requires full time in order to survive, this means parents cannot teach children, and teachers ask why the parents are not teaching children first place. Why not look at the stupid 8 hr policy? 8-10hr is more of a war time work. We are not at war. Why do we have to work 8hrs+ in order to survive?! That is total BS. Some people do it voluntarily. But, I can guarantee you some of us with high paid jobs don't really have to work 8hrs+. Just relax in town and wait for calls if something goes wrong within your job company, I mean we all have cell phones now.

I hate to say, but why do people who were home taught are forced to get college degrees. This is stupid. I shouldn't even be doing English courses in College either unless I'm doing poetry or story writing. I'm very good at it. Just because some immigrants come here for jobs, they started forcing English courses into the system. Born population is very fluent in English don't truly need to go through all this crap again. They don't even teach English to Immigrants. It is just all essay writing hogging up time and stressing students out to create something they are not into first place.

There is a difference between a god dam police report and an essay report.
It is pay to get a job now. Instead of finding a job to get pay.

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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: pl3bscheese
Can you make that statistic relevant by providing an example of master plumber demand in Texas?

Thanks

Most plumbers and electricians really are swamped with work. Construction workers not so much. It might be an avenue to look into is all, but you're right, most trades aren't what they used to be. It's a tough market.

a reply to: eisegesis

There is no problem.

Problems do not exist.

You are the problem.

That's how it works.

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I know I used to be q construction worker but the market sucks, work 3 months take 2 off.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: redhorse

I know I used to be q construction worker but the market sucks, work 3 months take 2 off.

Yeah... That sounds about right. My brother-in-law has a lot of steady work and he does construction but he's also a master mason so guess what most of his work is? These days you have to be so specialized and even then, it's a chancey thing. Just a damn shame and so scary.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: onequestion

I can do better. There's over 27 million in the state, over 50k licenses issued, and the majority of remaining masters are over 50 years of age.

My father runs a plumbing business and is looking for good journeymen with a year or two of experience, but they're being gobbled up as soon as they enter the market.

That's all fine and dandy if you are a guy. My grandfather was a jack of all trades; plumbing, carpentry, electrician, mechanic, you name it. I spent a lot of time with him on work sites and practically grew up in his shop. I am pretty handy for a chick, and have a knack for plumbing.

I redid the pipes in my old kitchen, fixed dishwashers, garbage disposals, and broken shower faucets. No one will give a female looking for an apprenticeship the time of time. Many people will only take on friends and family, rarely a stranger, and especially not a girl.

I gave up a long time ago, but a few years back, at the insistence of several ATS members, I looked back into it. The responses I got were anywhere from people skirting around the fact that I was female, to straight up "This is mans work, why don't you take up a nice hobby like quilting instead."

I tried to get my foot in the door, but the door kept getting slammed in my face. It was a wake up call in inequality for me.

On topic. A couple of years ago my husband had a higher than normal amount of homeless students in his class. He would come home and tell me about the boy he let sit in the back of his class and never hassled him about doing stuff on the school issues lap top instead of paying attention in class, because the kid couldn't concentrate due to hunger. Or the girl that always had meticulously done make up, but worse the same dirty clothes every day.

It broke my heart and I really wanted to do something to help these kids out. He informed me, much to my horror, that a teacher is forbidden from getting involved and that giving these students gifts or money could cost him his teaching license. He said that all he was legally allowed to do was in form the guidance counselor about his observations.

The most he really could do was casually mention that there was food in the faculty room that no one was touching, to the students he knew were hungry. Even that presented a challenge because he had to do it when out of ear shot of other students and he didn't want to draw attention to the hungry children and embarrass them.

Or tell them to wear condoms. Tell them this country is dying slowly inside.

originally posted by: introvert
Unless you are going to teach or enter some sort of scientific field, I don't see the value in a college education. We'd be better off to put our money in trade schools that teach, with a hands-on approach, certain necessary trades.

Even with a college degree, you often have to start at the bottom and work your way up. Why burden yourself with a huge amount of debt in the process and go hungry as well?

Most people with a college degree make significantly more. You also get to do something you actually like. I don't think anyone's dream job is being a manager at some company where they climbed the ladder. I'd rather make $40k a year doing something I was passionate about than $80k supervising burger flippers, which is why I am now back in school at 30. You also get a much better entry level position with a degree than flipping burgers or washing cars.

For a lot of people, a trade makes a TON of sense. You can expect to make an above average living (at least), get good benefits and you really are doing something that helps. Plumber seems like a dirty word, but plumbers ACTIVELY help people, they can make a ton of money, the work is interesting, and you're not actually covered in poop.

I tend to agree that most jobs requiring 4+ years of college could easily have more qualified candidates if there were a sort of trade school for it. There is a problem, but I don't think it's true that a college education is currently a waste of money for your future.

You also get a lot of benefits from an education that won't translate to earning potential. You become a more well rounded person. You understand the world differently. Every new thing you learn helps you understand the world in more depth, just as life experience helps you become more understanding.