Born Alive Survivors Protection Act

I thought this was common knowledge

Nurses Share How Babies Born Alive After Abortions are Killed or Left to Die

www.lifenews.com...

Testimony of Mrs. L.M., Former Anesthetic Nurse:

I want to testify to infanticide, not that we have actually killed a newborn of 28 weeks but worse: we have not had humanity come to his aid. … The young mother was an HIV positive drug addict who discovered her pregnancy late. Gynecologists convinced her to abort but the baby was born alive. Midwives simply put it in an empty box, naked in a stainless steel tub, cold, without any care. His mother was conscious during labor and delivery of the baby; she was crying and wanted to see her little one but the doctors decided that this child should die. They did not give the child to the mother to spare her. This baby was viable, he was breathing on his own and cried vigorously. I honestly think it was just left to die of cold …. Why do they fight to save some premature babies while others are given death without humanity?

And there are abortion survivors.

Abortion Survivors and Their Stories

www.theabortionsurvivors.com...

a reply to: Stormdancer777

From your link:

there are approximately 44,000 abortion survivors living in the United States


That is the live ones that were not butchered or left to die.

a reply to: infolurker

Kermit Gosnell was convicted for breaking the law, and performing partial birth birth abortions, illegal since 2003. Please show me a law that allows doctors to abort healthy a fetus past viability, not including legal allowances for rape and incest.

a reply to: windword

healthy fetus past viability.

wtf

a reply to: windword

not including legal allowances for rape and incest.

the devil is always in the details

a reply to: deadeyedick

I'm really interested in reading the source material you have that shows perfectly healthy babies are being murdered after they are born. I've never heard about that.

Do you have that information or was your post hyperbolic nonsense in which you were talking out of your whale ass?

a reply to: deadeyedick

So? You can't provide an example to a law that allows doctors to perform legal abortions, on demand, past viability. Your claim that doctors are killing healthy born babies meant to be aborted is a flat out lie.

a reply to: infolurker

there are approximately 44,000 abortion survivors living in the United States

Can you show me the data, or how they arrived at that number?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: deadeyedick

So? You can't provide an example to a law that allows doctors to perform legal abortions, on demand, past viability. Your claim that doctors are killing healthy born babies meant to be aborted is a flat out lie.

yes just a bit off
I suppose that leaving them to scream and die is not the same as killing them to you even though these doctors have a Hippocratic oath to save lives. That itself should have all their licenses pulled if they kill babies in or out of the womb

ahh but we get bogged down in the details don't we



I was hoping you could provide a reason why so many voted nay on this bill but instead you want to play word games even though you know full way that by twisting the words you are yourself creating cover for murder

one day you will look back and be ashamed of your self FACT

a reply to: deadeyedick

ahh but we get bogged down in the details don't we

Yes we do, that's what this is all about.

A woman goes in for an abortion, and it, tragically, doesn't turn out as planned, for one reason or another. Perhaps the drug induction was the wrong dosage, or the procedure was rushed to save the life of the mother.

There is no legislation in effect to guide the doctors. If they rush the struggling fetus off for life saving intervention, are they violating the contract made with the parents? Who will pay for the medical intervention, the parents, tax payers or insurance companies?

If the fetus is catastrophically deformed and or diseased, isn't it more humane to euthanize it than to force needles into it's limbs and tubes into it's mouth for few hours of painful, suffering life? Many people feel their pets are as family and love them as much as their kids, yet we empathize and embrace their pain when they choose to end their pets' suffering through euthanasia.

a reply to: windword

There is no legislation in effect to guide the doctors

yet everyone voted no on said bill

Doctors take an oath that they swear to save lives and performing abortion breaks that oath

the so called exceptions are being used to bypass the laws

in other words by having exceptions is causing women to lie and become an exception

so no the examples you ask for are falling under the exceptions because of poor enforcement lack of guidelines and testing

any fool can claim rape and get a person killed

to deny that would just be par for the coarse in attempts to cover for murder

it is a sickness

One should have to bring a police report with them to the killer business if they claim rape

a reply to: windword

If the fetus is catastrophically deformed and or diseased, isn't it more humane to euthanize it than to force needles into it's limbs and tubes into it's mouth for few hours of painful, suffering

you are trying to use examples that amount to single digits to justify the majority of events that in no way are rape or defects yet get thrown into that category

it results in you taking up for murder of many based of mercy of a few

a reply to: windword

it's already against the law to kill a baby after a failed abortion attempt or to refuse it medical care after it is born. My memory as to just what the problem was with the bill that dems objected to outside of the fact that it is already illegal, well, when you would have to do a little research to find out why the didn't support the bill.

but, I don't believe the bill actually changed the legal status of babies delivered after a failed abortion...they aren't to be killed, they are to be given medical care...
it was something else they objected to I just can't remember it clearly enough to state what it was.

originally posted by: NightFlight
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Hi Charlie, What are the laws on abortion in Great Britain? I don't believe I've ever heard them.

NF

Under UK law, an abortion can usually only be carried out during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy as long as certain criteria are met (see below).
The Abortion Act 1967 covers England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland, and states:

1) abortions must be carried out in a hospital or a specialist licensed clinic

2) two doctors must agree that an abortion would cause less damage to a woman's physical or mental health than continuing with the pregnancy

There are also a number of rarer situations when the law states an abortion may be carried out after 24 weeks. These include:

1) if it's necessary to save the woman's life

2)to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman

3)if there is substantial risk that the child would be born with serious physical or mental disabilities

Similar to the States, pretty much.

a reply to: deadeyedick

only 1.2% of abortions are done after the 21st week of pregnancy so it's a rather small number to begin with!!!
but this is what concerns me...
ya see, I have no problem with some type of restriction on abortion under the right conditions and part of those conditions is that the mother's health and well being should be a priority. it seems that the pro-life crowd in so many ways have proved that they don't agree. it seems to me that if a women just had a birth control malfunction, or was just being irresponsible and found out she was pregnant and didn't want the child, she would want to get the abortion as soon a possibly, before the pregnancy is noticeable. but, well the longer the pregnancy goes on the less I buy the idea that these women are just irresponsible and not willing to accept the responsibility. And I tend to think that these women are more in the class that I feel we should be protecting. The ones who found out that the pregnancy is in trouble and a risk to their lives, or that the babies they were looking forward to are badly deformed, things like that.. To restrict or ban the abortions at this stage of pregnancy is probably the most illogical, ill advised, and definately not based on medical science. But it gets the emotions going doesn't it, so well, that is what we get, more bans on those who probably actually have the most justifiable reason for the abortion to be given...

a reply to: dawnstar

only 1.2% of abortions are done after the 21st week of pregnancy so it's a rather small number to begin with!!!

small compared to what?

billions of terminations but not small in the actual numbers!!!

we are speaking about humans after the 21 week and viewing them as a % is a shame

yes the exceptions you mention are indeed worthy but the problem is by saying it is ok to humanly deal with them then we open the door to abuse of the system that takes on a whole new set of numbers that over shadows the rest and begins to decay our morality by way of social programming in the culture

devil is in the details

a reply to: deadeyedick

well, based on the number of abortions that were performed in 2011, that percentage that I gave you would put it at 12,720 that were after the 21 week.

my god, they've probably killed more children in the first year of war in iraq and afghanistan!!!

so where are you getting that the number of those abortions that are justified as being due to rape, health of mother, or abnormal fetal developement is in the single digits?

but the problem is by saying it is ok to humanly deal with them then we open the door to abuse of the system that takes on a whole new set of numbers that over shadows the rest and begins to decay our morality by way of social programming in the culture

so are you saying that it is better to let women lie in pain for days like this lady had to:

en.wikipedia.org...

would you feel the same way if it was your sister, your wife, or your good friend?

a reply to: windword
Do you object to babies born alive who are healthy being left to die on counters or alone and naked?
It seems from what you are saying that you believe this never happens and so you object to the bill.
Am I wrong?

Below is some court testimony that this does happen:
"In Illinois, witnesses discovered that living babies
were being left to die following a certain abortion procedure.
In this procedure, called induced labor abortion,
... Sometimes the baby is born dead (killed by the force of the contractions)
but other times the infant is born alive—a "live-birth abortion."

Nurses Jill Stanek and Allison Baker testified that these born-alive infants
were being dumped in "soiled utility rooms" to die—
some babies would survive only for minutes, while others lived for hours.
This was done routinely at Christ Hospital in Chicago where they worked.

A September 2000 report from the
U.S. House of Representatives’ Judiciary Committee
noted that "physicians at Christ Hospital have used the procedure
[induced labor abortion] to abort healthy infants and infants with non-fatal deformities…
Many of these babies have lived for hours after birth,
with no efforts made to determine if any of them could have survived
with appropriate medical assistance."Stanek testified:

"One night, a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down’s syndrome baby who was born alive to our soiled utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have time to hold him. I could not bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived. He was 21 to 22 weeks old, weighed about one-half pound, and was about 10 inches long. He was too weak to move very much, expending any energy he had trying to breathe. Toward the end, he was so quiet that I couldn’t tell if he was still alive unless I held him up to the light to see if his heart was still beating through his chest wall. After he was pronounced dead, we folded his little arms across his chest, wrapped him in a tiny shroud, and carried him to the hospital morgue where all of our dead patients are taken."

Stanek also spoke of an aborted baby "left to die on the counter of the soiled utility Room wrapped in a disposable towel," who "was accidentally thrown in the garbage, and when they later were going through the trash to find the baby, the baby fell out of the towel and on to the floor."

Baker told how she "happened to walk into a ‘soiled utility room’ and saw, lying on the metal counter, a fetus, naked, exposed and breathing, moving its arms and legs."

Asked to determine the legality of this practice,
the Illinois Attorney General (Republican Jim Ryan)
and the Illinois Department of Public Health
concluded that no law was being violated.
Under Illinois law, these premature babies were not protected."
www.mcclpac.org...


Here is another eyewitness account of this happening:
"Janet Rogers worked in a hospital that performed abortions.
After 30 years, she has come forward with her story . . .

Rogers, [unknowingly] would have a life-changing experience working with one late-term abortion:

One evening a young girl was having a very difficult time.
I was there with the doctor. I knew even though the doctor wrote
this patient was 15 weeks, she was close to 30 weeks.
This happened quite a bit, but no one ever said anything . . .
When she delivered this tiny baby (it looked full term to me)
she was actually alive and crying. The doctor said to me,
“Put it in the room and close the door. Do not enter til the morning shift.”
I immediately took the crying baby and wrapped it up and laid it in a room.
I then immediately started calling hospitals around
(against the doctor’s wishes) to find someone that would take it.
None around would take it cause they said it was not viable.
I spent many hours trying. I just wanted to leave this place,
but I knew I could not walk out and leave other patients without a charge nurse.
Til this day I hear this crying infant in my head. "
Read more at joemiller.us...


msgboard.snopes.com...
According to the snopes messageboard, this is not as uncommon occurrence as one would think it is.

I don't doubt that many late term abortions are the result
of a heartbreaking decision by mothers and families.
However, there is evidence that late term abortions are
done simply because the mother doesn't want the child
for various reasons late in the pregnancy. To deny that
is to stick one's head in the sand.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Holy fk. Got friggen teary-eyed reading that.