Now we are being FORCED by the EU to take people no matter what we voted..

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

I reject they are the same. I also don't care about your meaningless political terms. They want to kill to force people to accept their beliefs. I believe they should be killed to keep them from killing people. Self defense on a massive scale. If you can not see the difference you are no different that the elites helping them take over. Wake up. There is no next time. Not even maybe.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Yes of course it was the US division where else could the NSA and US government make it happen and get a result? Volkswagen lost billions and will struggle to survive. That hurts Germany and they don't want more of it.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Inn all fairness Russia has been taking hundreds of thousands of refugees from Ukraine, so they are doing their fair share of helping.

So one hand offers amnesty, the other offers weapons.

originally posted by: Mclaneinc

originally posted by: ressiv
totally wrong suggestion...!
the EU is forced to take refugy's couse USA interrests in Syria.!
USA started the war on Assad.... let them solve the problem
just like guantanomo prison...
USA illegally collected the terrorist all over the world ....locked them up in Cuba...
and now they force there allieds to take them over...
the SCAM !

Its another point but yes its a scam, I'm looking at it from my own POV re my thread, I'm British, born in Northern Ireland and had to leave it at 6 dues to religion (oh yes, religion, always good for violence), so we came to England, I later married my wife who's Muslim but from a NORMAL NON RADICAL family hence I was allowed to marry her and we live with our daughter. Now we have been 15yrs on the council housing list awaiting a flat, there's a 17yr waiting list for the people already here in my borough and its a national problem of low housing stock that we cannot supply to people of all races and religions already here let alone the poor souls who have to live rough YET we are being made to take total unknowns with as much as 90% uncertainty of where they come from let alone their abilities and feelings towards the UK and we are going to put them WHERE?

What percentage will work?

What do we know of their religious beliefs, are they radical?

What intelligence do they have, will they be employable?

Will they even bother to learn English?

Will they integrate?

I can only look at Europe as a whole to see what is happening there and from our own borders as to the issues we continue to have from an economic viewpoint and the clear attempt to change our culture. Will more people solve this or make it even worse..

You decide but its pretty clear to most..

Help the needy, scan the rest and choose..

You are aware that the UK and Denmark, for example, have the right to opt out of any such quotas don't you?

Probably not if you read Farage.

And there you go, evidence of the above:

www.newstatesman.com...

originally posted by: Mclaneinc
The EU has now forced EU countries to take these people but not by standard democratic voting, its using QMV aka qualified majority voting where voting by the bigger countries over rules everyone else.

Without wanting to take away from your point in relation to the EU as a whole, it's worth noting that the mandatory quota does not apply the UK and we cannot be compelled to accept these migrants.

The UK has (cough) "independently" decided to accept some refugees but in numbers and terms of our choosing.

The use of quotation marks is deliberate, because I'm not entirely convinced how "independent" that decision was.

If there's any wedge that could be driven in to the EU and cause either serious splintering or re-evaluation of the entity, this might be it. People change their tune when they have to start accepting the rough along with the smooth.

originally posted by: Danton
a reply to: ressiv

Why do you believe America should or would act in your best interests? The EU is a competitor and whether it's sanctions with Russia due to the US backed coup on their border or instability sending millions of migrants your way it all helps to weaken the competitor the EU is. However why blame the US? Other than Czech, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania your own governments agreed to this. It's not Americas fault you are stupid.

I'm not asking America to do anything, you lot are being just as stuffed from your own politicians..

Don't know where this US request comes from...

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I'd have to borrow my daughters iPad and sod bloody X-Factor..

Actually if you read my replies I go to pains to point out that Saudi etc are getting away scot free...

Actually yo were right about the shopping, Morrisons here I come..

Then a lovely glass of Chardonnay with my grub

a reply to: Danton
Do you mean the plan to take in refugees? Well Poland was essentially blackmailed or threatened by Germany and Belgium, essentially the EU, that if they do not take about twelve thousand refugees they will have to pay a fine of some millions of dollars. This is even as Germany recognizes that it was a mistake to bring in the refugees. You called someone "stupid" for blaming the USA. Well first of all let's not berate one another, I'd hope you could have a civil discussion. Secondly the USA is causing destabilization in the Middle East. Now it's Syria, it was Iraq before and Libya in North Africa. That is the reason behind this migration and it will be the end of Europe as we know it.

This isn't the dark ages where loads and loads of people can migrate, settle and independently take care of themselves. This will take decades of taxes and government help to get these people to become assimilated members of society if they choose to do that.


Just remember your EU politicians don't care about these refugees they just want a poor working class

originally posted by: KEACHI
a reply to: Mclaneinc

You are not a democratic country and you are not a sovereign country since joining the EU. You Socialist punks always want another layer of Government to whisper in your ear and make you feel special and give you things for free that you haven't earned, instead of creating it for yourselves. It's because even though you always whined about your Kings and rulers, you loved having them because you were given what was needed instead of making what you wanted.

You better realize that you are being invaded and it is time to engage the enemy and completely destroy every single living person which is Muslim, or you die; and the products of rape which will be your descendants will spit upon your grave because you were against them.

Don't look to the United States to save you again. It's days are few. The locks on the Trojan horses have been flipped, and the doors will soon open to the tsunami of destruction.

Where in hell do I ask the US to help us, I repeat you are as deep in the pooh as we are thanks to Dearborn and people like Kerry inviting vast numbers of unknowns to YOUR shores.

Also, like YOU we the people get zero choice in what the government do, do you seriously think the British people as a whole all want the EU as a extra layer as you put it. We can't stand what is happening but like you it matters not who is voted in its always the same crap like you my voice does not matter one cent.

As for killing all Muslims, er Mr Hitler anyone?

Also it would mean I kill the mother of my daughter who is by religion a Muslim as are my in laws but unlike the radical rabble they are totally integrated, my in laws came here from Guyana, although my wife is UK born (same hospital as my daughter in fact), these people worked all their life, mixed with all religions and never have said a bad word about people. Sorry but there are ordinary people who have a faith that keeps them happy, try not to mix them up with the violent radicals. If we used your logic for who stays alive then the planet would be dead as there's crap in every system, SADLY Radical Islam is the one true threat these days..Not some old 80yr old lady who watches afternoon TV....

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Mclaneinc

With heavy heart I decided to make this thread

Yes that heart must be so heavy, with all the bandwagon jumping and paranoia that has been floating about lately. Not all of these folk are the enemy, there are folk fleeing a conflict that was created by people that has little regard for them. Has Russia accepted any refugees? Of course not because they are in cahoots with the Syrian regime. Has the US offered to take it's fair share of refugees? Of course not because they helped create the crisis.

While I agree to a large degree there are some certain facts that are now clear, media isn't covering any negative points of the migrants and its out there from many independent sources, to be honest I'd trust the Indies more than mainstream.

Secondly, we know for sure that the migrants are 72% young males, there are very little families women or children. We also know that in some places 90% of the so called Syrian migrants have zero proof where they come from.

As said in my thread, I'm all for helping the genuine needy but I want a screening process which again is the point of the thread, we have seen ours removed from us by Brussels, no questions or choices..Forced..

Btw, in the list of who won't take you forgot Saudi and the very rich regions around it..

a reply to: KEACHI
So let's kill before they kills us? Really? That's your solution? Genocide? Heil Fuhrer perhaps? You're promoting violence on a mass scale and as I remember that is against T&C.

originally posted by: jmlima


You are aware that the UK and Denmark, for example, have the right to opt out of any such quotas don't you?

Probably not if you read Farage.

Actually I believe we are being forced despite these opt out clauses to take them by this QMV, and of course if we don't accept Germany etc would start making our life very hard via a selection of dirty tricks.

Those opt out clauses are a chocolate teapot..

originally posted by: jmlima
And there you go, evidence of the above:

www.newstatesman.com...

I have indeed seen that but thank you for getting it, the problem is that since then there's MORE been added to the list and we are being forced to take extra beyond the ones we will take directly from Syria.

Reply to: FormOfTheLord

I really do understand what you are saying and if it were a perfect world it would be the case. But it is not.

I have had the unfortunate experience of being in my own town caught up in a violent protest calling for British citizens to be beheaded. This would not happen in your perfect world and believe me I wish it was like the world you describe, but it is not. Unfortunately a lot of these immigrants coming here will not integrate. They hate our way of doing things and want us to change to their ways. I wish it were not so, but it is. A majority of them have now been recognised by the UK govt as nothing more than economic migrants, taking advantage of the systems in the UK/EU that protect the citizens (of all colours) but, with the economic situation, benefits have already been slashed here, the NHS is struggling to say the least. How could we possibly support these people when we cant even support the people currently here. It is not fair on the taxpayers who are broke as it is, and it is also not fair on the true immigrants as they will end up with nothing too. It does not help anyone. We need to help them rebuild their own countries, not just give in. Most of all, we need to stop bombing them. You can thank Obama and the other western leaders for that. It is not the responsibility of normal hard working familys to accept the behaviour some of these people have demonstrated to the good people here. We should without doubt help the true displaced immigrants but a lot of them are not.

It is a sad situation and I used to think on the same lines as you but experience has made me see the world for what it really is. Letting all these people in without any kind of checks is asking for trouble for us all and the true displaced immigrants. We have already seen what these people do when crossing the Med. Throwing people into the sea, women and childern.

Now we are being FORCED by the EU to take people no matter what we voted..

Hey Us Americans know how you feel.

It sucks.

originally posted by: Mclaneinc

originally posted by: jmlima
And there you go, evidence of the above:

www.newstatesman.com...

I have indeed seen that but thank you for getting it, the problem is that since then there's MORE been added to the list and we are being forced to take extra beyond the ones we will take directly from Syria.

No we are not. Nobody is forcing Hameron to do that. Actually, scratch that, there is someone forcing him, public opinion in the UK which, fortunately, for the time being, is marginally less visceral than the north of England and the shires.

originally posted by: neo96
Now we are being FORCED by the EU to take people no matter what we voted..

Hey Us Americans know how you feel.

It sucks.

Yes it does...I feel your pain..I really do.....

Oh and I just remembered that merkel was caught up in the Snowden stuff where it was disclosed she had been phone tapped and one of the calls was a higher source basically demanding she open the doors to migrants. I'll have to research this better but I'm sure my memory is sound.

But can I repeat one thing because people skip posts, I'm sure most countries would welcome some genuine cases but for once on the BBC they showed a section of the migrants from yesterday and interviewed them, they were from Pakistan, a group of 5 - 8 males, all from Pakistan and happy to say so all mixed in the migrants. They spoke very good English so obviously were not struggling like some of the war torn people in Syria but they like a huge number of others decided to attempt to cheat their way in to other countries for false reasons. That is why people like the EU should not be able to force people upon us, their own policy means that even with their force we can only take a certain number and with all the liars mixed in with these migrants by their hand alone some people with real needs will be ignored while economic migrants, killers and all sorts of unwanted types take their places.

So, yes we take an amount of genuine cases, yes we cherry pick from the rest, yes we think about what we can or cannot afford and yes we look after who is here first and foremost. It actually is possible do do all those things in that list but not if we take in huge numbers of unknowns which WILL contain economic migrants, terrorists, killers and people who simply hate our culture. People can argue about that all they want but its a fact.

I'm utterly fed up with the fancy left version of the migrants in the media, show the whole story, show places that have taken in migrants and what effect they had both good and bad but they don't and places like Sweden, here in the UK and other EU countries know why. Go ask places like Sweden etc why there are 55 no go area's in their countries that Police, fire crews and ambulances pretty much can't go to because they get attacked. Sorry but when you import poor uneducated people who live by mob rule and violence they don't forget those things at your border, it comes in with them and they keep practising it.

Its like looking to fill a brain surgeons position in a hospital and employing one of those jihadists who hack heads off because some politician says its almost the same, countries MUST have the right to choose wisely, keep its own safe and make sure their economy can support those we take in, yes we take in some who are in desperate measure but with conditions that we can protect people here. And yet again to the lefts here stop attacking us, if you are so annoyed start attacking Saudi etc who are NEXT DOOR to these place and REFUSE to take in the numbers they could because they don't want these people in their societies and keeping Radical Islamists in Europe is part of the plan (fact). If you guys feel the need to talk human rights etc then you take it up with THEM, the counties who refuse to take people in, we in the UK were one of the first to take in large numbers.

a reply to: Mclaneinc

Now we are being FORCED by the EU to take people no matter what we voted.

See how people are always happy to take on the unknown simply because they do not know what the unknown entails and have no knowlege or expereince of the down side of the unknown.

This is being done now because they know that things have gone past the point of no return for this issue.

The Austrlaian Govt resorts to saying' Besides, we a legaly obliged to anyway because we signed the International xyz agreement, when they run out of excuses for trying to justify doing as their US Masters tell them.

Funny thing is though, when they other side of the party says that will undo the decesion, they never float the idea that they will unsign the International xyz agreement. funny that.