Container with aid for "refugees" was full of weapons and ammunition

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: anticitizen

better safe than sorry.

So just assume they are all ISIS operatives then?

Yes, start with that assumption and start screening from there.
Or better yet no males of military age 18 to 25 and no families with males 13 to 17. Nip the fanaticism in the bud and send em packing, take no chances. Set up UN refugee camps for them till that tyrant Assad is gone that displaced them in the first place.

let sget into fact finding mode!

ship: Haddad1 (bolivian flag)
coming from: iskenderum, turkey
destination: Misrata Lybia
crew: 7 persons syrian and egyptian (arrested)

no legal papers for the cargo

organised by a shady greek company in pireaeus which changed names more than 7 times in the last years.

source: a german/greek newspaper (will link after edit, my browser crahses, when switching tabs).

Edit: here the linky: www.griechenland.net...

a reply to: svetlana84

on board: nearly 5'000 'police type' shotguns, nearly half a million 9mm bullets from an american producer: yavex usa, as depicted in the image.

loads of contraband cigarettes as well. all according to greek authorities.

source: www.ekathimerini.com...

speculations on who would be the recipients of the cargo:

- lybian dawn (islamist opposition group)
- isis in sirte

or

Quote:

The Turkish government however said the weapons were destined for the Sudanese police force, also claiming the shipment was fully documented. "If investigations by the Greek authorities show that the consignment is going to receivers other than those stated in the documentation, and if that is shared with us, naturally measures could be taken," foreign ministry spokesman Tanju Bilgic told Reuters. He added the vessel also carried building material for Libya, which is subject to a UN arms embargo.

unquote.

so it seems the turkish gov knows something about the cargo. also the ship left from turkey.

source: The Turkish government however said the weapons were destined for the Sudanese police force, also claiming the shipment was fully documented. "If investigations by the Greek authorities show that the consignment is going to receivers other than those stated in the documentation, and if that is shared with us, naturally measures could be taken," foreign ministry spokesman Tanju Bilgic told Reuters. He added the vessel also carried building material for Libya, which is subject to a UN arms embargo.

originally posted by: kloejen

originally posted by: UnBreakable

So you're saying that only teenagers are refugees? That jobless, disenchanted refugees in an unfamiliar country who are hungry won't resort to violence? ISIS has never recruited teenagers? That these people won't have access to weapons, that some most likely will eventually get through? .. hmmm doesnt make much sense...

Ok, in that case they have done a really good job with the funding they "got". But seriously, its very unlikely.
Those i have met, are just folks trying to reach a destination, and get some peace.

So maybe now, maybe they are just waiting for the bombs, so they can go around and blow them selves up, and terrorize Europe... really ?

Maybe they just are refugees...?

How can you be so ignorant? Sure therre are refugees. That's the entire point. They're using the refugees to sneak people in to other countries with little verification.

Are you really going to sit there and lambaste the entire idea based on the premise that "They're refugees so there can't be any bad people involved" ??

sigh

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: UnBreakable

Ya the video has no context and the ibtimes article isn't about an aid ship going to refugees.

They haven't turned anyplace into anything yet, they just got there.

And ya them not going to Saudi should show you they don't want to live like that. Maybe they like western ways more then you know.
Just because you read they don't doesn't mean it is true.

Maybe if we rub their tummies they produce a pot of cheerios too.

But maybe not. Maybe, if we look to the world around us, we see actually not.

Turkey has been caught several times now supplying weapons to ISIS. This time is no exception. From Libya the weapons would have flowed back to Syria.

It's all part of how the West is keeping ISIS propped up and the War on Terror ever alive.

a reply to: anticitizen

Nope.
"Terrorists will find a way" is what I've said and you spun it to "can't be terrorists among them".
Stop kidding yourself!

better safe than sorry.

Fear eats the soul. Better remember that sometimes.

Think about this. Where did the people who shot up Charlie Hebdo and the guy who tried to shoot up that train last month get their weapons?

Europeans whine about us having too many guns in the US, while fully automatic weapons seem to be readily available in Europe.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Don't forget the airstrikes against the PKK, another direct support of the IS.
You guys are on to something here.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: UnBreakable
And ya them not going to Saudi should show you they don't want to live like that. Maybe they like western ways more then you know.
Just because you read they don't doesn't mean it is true.

I just find it curious that SA has a 100,000 air-conditioned tent city that could house Syrian refugees when not being occupied during Hajj. So SA has room, do they not want to provide shelter for the refugees?

"There are more than 100,000 air-conditioned tents in Mina providing temporary accommodation to 3 million pilgrims"
www.amusingplanet.com...

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: UnBreakable

Those refugees need to be able to defend themselves against the European supremacists.

AK's for every man over 12.


See, the Europeans are doing exactly what the Israelis are doing... Intercepting and inspecting AID SHIPS.... How dare you inspect aid shipments.

www.bbc.com...

Except Europe isnt illegally occupying the areas that are being aid shipped to.....

originally posted by: kloejen
a reply to: UnBreakable

So you are saying that the refugees, the teenagers running around, have containers ready with weapons to overtake Europe, and claim Islamic law, which they actually fled from in the first place?

The war there has been going on for quite a long time now. Why now?

a reply to: UnBreakable

And Saudi is a bunch of pricks I bet they would just jail the refuges. Why would anyone with a brain want to escape to Saudi?

a reply to: Gothmog

An army that is growing in a lot of countries around the world.

I am sitting here thinking what better way to get to their end game.

It is no secret the likes of ISIS and other terrorist groups want the entire WORLD to be an ISLAMIC Caliphate.

What better way to infiltrate the west to cause mass exodus's to every western country basically.

Probably the entire goal of the arab spring.

Terrorists KNOW they can't fight head to head. So DESTROY from within.

And millions of 'refugee's are making that a reality.

a reply to: neo96

I know it is hard to picture people of that area as normal down to earth people just looking to escape an area ravaged with war, but are we even trying? Or does it make us feel better to just act like they are all isis agents.

Isis kills just as much muslims, if not more, then anyone else, I don't think they have as good as recruiting as made out.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: UnBreakable

And Saudi is a bunch of pricks I bet they would just jail the refuges. Why would anyone with a brain want to escape to Saudi?

Which is exactly my point. To me, a place like SA would be the logical place to go. But obviously the refugees prefer the West. They know they won't be jailed or tortured.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I have little sympathy for them over there in the ME.

Its a mess they created ALL BY THEMSELVES.

Because RELIGION runs supreme.

Isis kills just as much muslims, if not more, then anyone else,

Absolutely true.

However at it's most basic level the 'moderates' AGREE with the likes of ISIS.

a reply to: neo96

Religion and war, from the west...

Wasn't all their fault, we haven't helped much at all to keep that place stable.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Try RELIGION and WAR from the MIDDLE EAST.

The civil war in Syria, whose Alawite regime Saudi Arabia's Sunny monarchy has long plotted against, and the prospect of a war with Shiite Iran over its reported drive to acquire nuclear weapons, preoccupy Riyadh while, Abdallah, Canute-like, strives to keep the democratic wave from breaking on its shores.

www.upi.com...

It appears -- even now -- that Saudi Arabia's ruling elite is divided. Some applaud that ISIS is fighting Iranian Shiite "fire" with Sunni "fire"

You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia

Everything that is current going on over there is because of Saudi Arabia, and Iran are vying for a regional hegemony.

ALL roads lead to them.