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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: JadeStar
Not if the optical stealth technology is as good as I'm lead to believe. Most of the patents on the tech got seized for national security purposes, so you won't find any. They've been working on making craft invisible for decades. And we think graphene is a "new thing" lol
originally posted by: smurfy
Interesting as it is, the congressman is still talking off his own bat. This interview was obviously made after the hearing, so have a listen, and then say what you think.
originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: tanka418
OK dude. Funny thing is there are still hundreds of people looking for the moon landing, on the moon.
As for that whole space fleet and moon base thing. I do believe if there are any up there, you would easily capture the resupply vessels coming and going on a regular bases to and from earth. No to mention the fact that if there were bases and space fleet up there nobody would be able to shut up about it and would be constantly telling the world how great they are because they have build a space fleet and bases on the moon. Its a human thing, just cant shut up about some things. Bragging rights.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: JadeStar
It's been proven that certain government projects can be compartmentalized while employing thousands of people without ever being discovered (Manhattan Project) -- so It's not out of the realm of possibility that a program could exist and remain secret.
The A-12 was produced from 1962 to 1964, and was in operation from 1963 until 1968. It was the precursor to the twin-seat U.S. Air Force YF-12 prototype interceptor, M-21 drone launcher, and the famous SR-71 Blackbird, a slightly longer variation able to carry a heavier fuel and camera load. The A-12's final mission was flown in May 1968, and the program and aircraft retired in June of that year. The program was officially revealed in the mid-1990s.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: DelMarvel
Well, look how long the A-12 was kept secret until publicly disclosed:
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
If any of you have seen a BBT, you'd know they don't need solid rockets to get into orbit anymore . I've seen one of these things, they're decades upon decades ahead of NASA.
originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: JadeStar
Have you "looked" into "Photonic Crystals" at all (not much to "see" anyway!).
The whole area of EM control and matter interaction for military applications could easily be 30-40 years ahead if the discovery was made in a bunker (or in space!!) during the Cold War.
This is a good example of an area where someone could fund a secret project dealing with, lets say... low observability, and end up with a bag of tricks across multiple strategically employable facets in materials, stealth, durability, communications, sensoring and imaging, electrical warfare, DEW's etc etc.
If I was speculating I would guess that the effects of micro gravity aboard a space laboratory might even facilitate or aid the growth of novel crystalline structures which would further understanding in such areas.
How many people on Earth have access to an environment with Micro Gravity where things can be manufactured?
Immediately we have a mechanism to limit access.
Only those with a very specific skill set, knowledge and funding could possibly even be involved in our imaginary scenario.
How hard would it be to monitor what they are doing and prevent them catching up?
If there was just one breakthrough....lets say the invention of a perfect optical lensing device for example...how would this influence the lengths I am willing to go to in terms of keeping it secret/well funded now that I can see better than my enemy?
If we look at Military spending on being able to get to strategic places, conduct actions unbeknownst to the enemy, or to see ALL of the enemy ALL of the time, I think you could argue that a secret space military is almost assured if any one of those desirables could be achieved to a totally dominant position.
I dont believe that such a program would encompass (or indeed necessitate) buzzing civvies BTW but would also assume that as with most things- whatever can go wrong- probably does.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
The manhattan project? are you serious? No less than four top project scientists were feeding the russians every development schematic and idle thought about the project in near real time. the russians knew about technical developments before our own president got briefed on them. geez! using the Manhattan project as a model for govt secrecy? the only people they successfully kept in the dark were U.S. citizens and even that is debatable.
originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Good point and true.
But just because we don't know of secret projects that were KEPT secret, doesn't mean there weren't any... right?
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I mean, I can't just dismiss what I've seen -- and I was in the company of other people at the same time who corroborate what I saw.
So there's clearly stuff flying around and in orbit that's vastly superior to anything known by mainstream science. Why it hasn't been reported on more by scientists is beyond me.
But, as I said before ... when you're researching something you get grants and funding, and allotted certain times to use the facilities. The guys flying these things around might have access to what scientists are looking at, and what gear they're using.
You'd be committing career suicide if you got facility time for a certain project, then used it to track anomalies in the sky. It might be a bit hard to explain why you were using a huge radio telescope array for something other than your stated research goals.
originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: JadeStar
Not one itsy bit... that's nuts.
But... if I actually saw Freddy one fine evening, and looked into it and found a long history of myriad other seemingly intelligent, honest people seeing him, too... and then, weirdly, saw him again, and again... and I checked out as neurologically sound and as a pretty good historical observer, I'd be left with the same weird conclusion that Freddy Effin Kruger was real... in some capacity.